Scaleless Ball Python???

[Donnie]

Don't Royals normally have heat pits on the upper part of their mouths?

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Donnie

Don't Royals normally have heat pits on the upper part of their mouths?

Scaleless snakes lose that... one of the things people have issues with since its a clear disadvantage like the unprotected eye

[Chris72]

Originally Posted by Donnie

Don't Royals normally have heat pits on the upper part of their mouths?

You are 100% correct.

It is said that they can feed without the heat pits....but it does not make the entire thing any less disgusting. Cut my arms off and I will still eat.

Breeding animals for a variation in color is like coloring your hair. You look different but you are exactly the same. (Spider wobble issues aside....different conversation)

This however is actually breeding out a significant part of the animals body!!

I was reading on another site where someone, who worked in the facility where the derma-ball was hatched, (and handled it regularly) said the animal felt like it was going to rip because the skin was so thin. That might be why we don't hear about the animal anymore....because it ripped and died. (Don't know)

Consider:
The husbandry we employ when keeping Royals is based on the needs of the animals (with scales) in the wild. What they seek. We actually don't know to what extent the skin has been changed since it's clear this mutation is not limited to scales.(see: no heat pits) Now the same animals without this major part of its physical body needs:

> Heat range that will be comfortable - nobody knows.
> Certain substrates to be avoided due to being uncomfortable - nobody knows.
> humidity range that will be uncomfortable & heathy- nobody knows.
> The same three items but from the perspective of causing minor damage, again we don't know.
> x? For the eyes to remain comfortable since they are capless.

Will these things be figured out; yes. How many animals have to suffer and or die in the process of this learning curve - nobody knows.

Does it look interesting? Sure it does.

Honestly IMO this animal represents an utmost lack of consideration for the health and comfort for the animals we claim to care for. What they are doing is disgusting hypocrisy.



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[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Chris72

You are 100% correct.

It is said that they can feed without the heat pits....but it does not make the entire thing any less disgusting. Cut my arms off and I will still eat.

Breeding animals for a variation in color is like coloring your hair. You look different but you are exactly the same. (Spider wobble issues aside....different conversation)

This however is actually breeding out a significant part of the animals body!!

I was reading on another site where someone, who worked in the facility where the derma-ball was hatched, (and handled it regularly) said the animal felt like it was going to rip because the skin was so thin. That might be why we don't hear about the animal anymore....because it ripped and died. (Don't know)

Consider:
The husbandry we employ when keeping Royals is based on the needs of the animals (with scales) in the wild. What they seek. We actually don't know to what extent the skin has been changed since it's clear this mutation is not limited to scales.(see: no heat pits) Now the same animals without this major part of its physical body needs:

> Heat range that will be comfortable - nobody knows.
> Certain substrates to be avoided due to being uncomfortable - nobody knows.
> humidity range that will be uncomfortable & heathy- nobody knows.
> The same three items but from the perspective of causing minor damage, again we don't know.

Will these thing be figured out; yes. How many animals have to suffer and or die in the process of this learning curve - nobody knows.

Does it look interesting? Sure it does.

Honestly IMO this animal represents an utmost lack of consideration for the health and comfort for the animals we claim to care for. What they are doing is disgusting hypocrisy.



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THIS ^^^^