sexing: palpating

[DeadlyDesires]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

Where ya live? Pet stores & Vets = best places to start.

yea, thats not always true... i'd never bring my snake into a pet store.. and the vets around here aren't as qualified as they should be.

[ErikBush97]

Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires

yea, thats not always true... i'd never bring my snake into a pet store.. and the vets around here aren't as qualified as they should be.

Don't know what to tell you then. Other than that - you MIGHT find a breeder who'll do it... Taking a snake to a pet store is safer than taking one around 100's of snakes at a breeder's place. And what do you plan to do if your snake gets sick or hurt??? If you can't find a vet who can sex, you most certainly should not trust them with your snakes life...

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

Don't know what to tell you then. Other than that - you MIGHT find a breeder who'll do it... Taking a snake to a pet store is safer than taking one around 100's of snakes at a breeder's place. And what do you plan to do if your snake gets sick or hurt??? If you can't find a vet who can sex, you most certainly should not trust them with your snakes life...

Why are you taking a shot at breeders?

You've got your opinion all *** backwards.

Pet stores bring in animals from ANYWHERE. Not all captive bred stuff, imported and from different suppliers.

A breeder like me, and my friends, have our collections on critical lock down pretty much at all times. I know myself and those closest to me are very keen on who we buy from and how we quarantine them. We all spray down new arrivals with Nix even if it comes from each other. Generally, very little actually comes in and pretty much it's only stuff leaving.

I even brought Nix to a show and left it in the car and upon leaving the show nixed myself, my daughter, Lori, my car and the seats and everything.

GOOD breeders are much safer than a pet store.

[ErikBush97]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

GOOD breeders are much safer than a pet store.

And would a GOOD, SAFE breeder let someone bring their snake into their facility to sex it?

[ErikBush97]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You've got your opinion all *** backwards.

Lol... Did you really just say that? My opinion is my opinion...

[MDT]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

Lol... Did you really just say that? My opinion is my opinion...

And it is uneducated. Not trying to be harsh, but you're incorrect. We can all be uneducated about something. I don't know jack about car repair. If I spout off about how to fix a car and am wrong, then I have offered an uneducated opinion.

You can rely on palpating your snakes if you wish, I doubt very few (if any) reputable breeders would do the same. If you sell a snake as a sexed animal and are wrong, you will have to deal with the ramifications.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

And would a GOOD, SAFE breeder let someone bring their snake into their facility to sex it?

Yes. One of the biggest, if not the biggest, ball python breeder in Canada allows a lot of people into his facility (his home) fairly frequently. I also know NERD, BHB and Bob Clark all do tours in the States.

Your opinion may be your opinion but when it's uninformed from lack of experience and it is overly generalizing breeders, which I'm a part of, in a negative way I take offense.

I simply chose to give information that we aren't horrible people as you may think. So others don't just believe your blind opinion and start this hating breeders bandwagon.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Why are you taking a shot at breeders?

You've got your opinion all *** backwards.

Pet stores bring in animals from ANYWHERE. Not all captive bred stuff, imported and from different suppliers.

A breeder like me, and my friends, have our collections on critical lock down pretty much at all times. I know myself and those closest to me are very keen on who we buy from and how we quarantine them. We all spray down new arrivals with Nix even if it comes from each other. Generally, very little actually comes in and pretty much it's only stuff leaving.

I even brought Nix to a show and left it in the car and upon leaving the show nixed myself, my daughter, Lori, my car and the seats and everything.

GOOD breeders are much safer than a pet store.

And the bottoms of our shoes, and the animal I brought home

[ErikBush97]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Yes. One of the biggest, if not the biggest, ball python breeder in Canada allows a lot of people into his facility (his home) fairly frequently. I also know NERD, BHB and Bob Clark all do tours in the States.

Your opinion may be your opinion but when it's uninformed from lack of experience and it is overly generalizing breeders, which I'm a part of, in a negative way I take offense.

I simply chose to give information that we aren't horrible people as you may think. So others don't just believe your blind opinion and start this hating breeders bandwagon.

Well there IS a lot more bad breeders than good ones whether you like it or not. In fact, most (or at least most local breeders) are just sketchy people producing & selling Ball Python's on Craigslist.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

Well there IS a lot more bad breeders than good ones whether you like it or not. In fact, most (or at least most local breeders) are just sketchy people producing & selling Ball Python's on Craigslist.

erik, be quiet.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

Well there IS a lot more bad breeders than good ones whether you like it or not. In fact, most (or at least most local breeders) are just sketchy people producing & selling Ball Python's on Craigslist.

Just because you believe any chump (or chumpette) with two snakes to rub together is considered a breeder DOES NOT make it true.

You asked if a good breeder would allow someone into their facility. I answered it. I've backed up my opinions and you have never backed yours. It sounds like a horrible, uninformed one that's based on some hearsay. I'd honestly like to know why you dislike breeders so much.

Now you've changed your tune to any joe blow on craigslist. You clearly have no leg to stand on. So quit making sweeping generalizations about breeders.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by ErikBush97

Well there IS a lot more bad breeders than good ones whether you like it or not. In fact, most (or at least most local breeders) are just sketchy people producing & selling Ball Python's on Craigslist.

This generalization is too far fetched. How much experience in the snake breeding world do you have that you can say this with confidence?

No offense but you come off as a teenager who thinks he knows the world and can tell people who have real experience how the world is.

[ErikBush97]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

This generalization is too far fetched. How much experience in the snake breeding world do you have that you can say this with confidence?

No offense but you come off as a teenager who thinks he knows the world and can tell people who have real experience how the world is.

Sorry I come off that way. I know a lot of respectable, good breeders, but I also know that there are twice as many bad ones. From personal experience.

[ErikBush97]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Just because you believe any chump (or chumpette) with two snakes to rub together is considered a breeder DOES NOT make it true.

You asked if a good breeder would allow someone into their facility. I answered it. I've backed up my opinions and you have never backed yours. It sounds like a horrible, uninformed one that's based on some hearsay. I'd honestly like to know why you dislike breeders so much.

Now you've changed your tune to any joe blow on craigslist. You clearly have no leg to stand on. So quit making sweeping generalizations about breeders.

Did I say that all breeders are bad? No. So I don't know why you're acting like I said all breeders are jerks or something. Also, yes... Someone who puts a female snake and a male snake together and makes a successful clutch IS A BREEDER. I wouldn't have any snakes if it weren't for breeders, so I do not dislike them. I just hate that a lot of local breeders are irresponsible, and not "GOOD breeders".

[ErikBush97]

Maybe you guys just live in a perfect place with no bad breeders.