Gender Consciousness

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by smy_749

I don't think you can use nude societies as proof, they are the exception, and clothing societies are the examples you should be looking at since they are the majority of the human population. Its not just our 'culture'. Its probably 95 % of the the world. The human form is attractive to the opposite sex, wider hips, larger breasts, whatever. Consciously and sub consciously, we have trigger 'traits' that we look for and find attractive. You can raise a child to think that humans are disgusting and monkeys are attractive if you try hard enough, but what does that prove then? That we are attracted to monkeys? ....Human beings are attracted to the bodies of other human beings, if thats not the case, its an exception to the normal. Big deal.

I can use it as proof, because as long as there are civilizations that live in nude, it is proof that we don't need to sexualize the bare body. It's something modern society can learn from them. The majority is not always right.

Besides, wider hips and larger breasts are things that can be noticed even through decent clothing.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by smy_749

you can raise a child to think that humans are disgusting and monkeys are attractive if you try hard enough, but what does that prove then? That we are attracted to monkeys?

If I can raise a child to grow up with that kind of mindset it means we can also be raised to sexualize everything. It is bred into our collective mentality, not in our nature, as is the case with nude societies. They did not grow up constantly sexualizing the human form. We don't need it.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I used nudity as an example. It is not the reason I started this thread. I think that the behavior in general of some of the more vocal women in this hobby is in some ways automatically reflected in how women are regarded in the broader aspects of our community.

For example: we talked about how sometimes by avatar and username you'd never know the member was female. This is completely fine because it puts everyone on a level playing field.

There was a thread on here about girls and reptiles notice how there wasn't one called boys with reptiles?

I just don't think women are taken as seriously as men

We have some female members on here who have collections that outweigh most mens' in terms of size and badassary and it sucks that they have to work harder for the same recognition as their male counterparts because of the image some women create for all of us.

It's self inflicted sexism

I'd like to add that I've spoken with a number of members and there's a large majority of women who treat these animals as their "little babies" who like to "cuddle and kiss" and it does nothing but harm the image of women as a whole. They essentially "over care". Sometimes to the point of killing the animal. Proven here on this forum before.

This isn't how these animals are. Look at monitor care. If a monitor acts this way it is usually considered unhealthy.

I suspect this could be part of the reason there seems to be a higher turn over rate with women in the hobby than men. Proof of this is that over the past decade I see far more men still around the hobby/industry than I do the women who were ever involved.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

If I can raise a child to grow up with that kind of mindset it means we can also be raised to sexualize everything. It is bred into our collective mentality, not in our nature, as is the case with nude societies. They did not grow up constantly sexualizing the human form. We don't need it.

Honestly, you're now arguing something that isn't about the topic. You're talking about nature vs. nuture really and it isn't helping the discussion.

[Mikoh4792]

So in other words, women tend to anthropomorphize reptiles more often than men, and this leads to mistakes in husbandry.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Honestly, you're now arguing something that isn't about the topic. You're talking about nature vs. nuture really and it isn't helping the discussion.

Yes I'll stop here. I should have taken it to the Pm's. I was just responding to smy's point.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

So in other words, women tend to anthropomorphize reptiles more often than men, and this leads to mistakes in husbandry.

Yes, that's one part of the topic.

I've seen it firsthand. If you can't take your emotions out of something and it leads to the death of an innocent creature then I can't give someone respect for that.

[smy_749]

I'm having a bad morning, and its all due to a woman so you can just ignore me.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Yes, that's one part of the topic.

I've seen it firsthand. If you can't take your emotions out of something and it leads to the death of an innocent creature then I can't give someone respect for that.

How many incidents have you witnessed that would cause you to believe that this behavior is particular in women? Although not to the point of death, I have seen men getting into the hobby do this as well.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by smy_749

I'm having a bad morning, and its all due to a woman so you can just ignore me.

Lol I'm on 36 hours of no sleep so the same can be said for me.

[smy_749]

Ill prob going to jail so i think i win...

[SnakeyJay]

Nothing wrong with half naked people and reptiles... its the individuals choice and shouldn't make you jump to conclusions about their knowledge.

If women feel they're portrayed unfairly by other women then stand up and show that your different.

[EL Ziggy]

I believe we should respect everyone equally regardless of their gender, color, religion, etc. That's in the hobby and life in general. I'm not a big fan of men or women putting nude images on the internet for public display but I don't judge them negatively. Live and let live. I also LOVE the female anatomy and a woman with lots of intelligence, self confidence and a sweet personality to match.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

How many incidents have you witnessed that would cause you to believe that this behavior is particular in women? Although not to the point of death, I have seen men getting into the hobby do this as well.

With one particular woman, 3 times this year already. There's a few others out there as well on the forums I'm on. (4 on a regular basis)

Yes, men do as well. I see them do it far less though.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

With one particular woman, 3 times this year already. There's a few others out there as well on the forums I'm on. (4 on a regular basis)

Yes, men do as well. I see them do it far less though.

Jesus Christ, three in one year. Has she not learned the first time? Apparently not.