True length of "record" giant pythons.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Sherman

Why should we solely use them? I use dwarf stuff, and mainland stuff. I enjoy both. I keep both responsibly.

Unless they are classified as a completely different species (which won't happen, and if you think it will- go study some taxonomy and take a seat).

No reason to tell me to take a seat. I have done my readings and you clearly missed my point. Re-read it and try again.

Just play with already small pretty snakes? Like what? Ball pythons and corn snakes? No thanks they bore me and frankly don't have the personality of a retic.

Lots of other species that get larger and are pretty too. Suck it up and deal with it. I like wolves because of their personality but that isn't a reason for me to have one over a dog.

You've missed my point here as well because you've never read all my posts. I'm talking about the illegal keeping of the species. If it's legal where you are, it's less of a problem for me. I still prefer they were just out of the hobby.

We are crazy, but real keepers of giants, real dedicated keepers are not the problem, idiots are. Guess what- idiots will find a way to get hurt regardless. Whether it's owning a big snake, hots, a car too fast, or doing some other dumb crap, a few keepers being huge idiots should not punish everyone. I enjoy and love my big snakes.

I guess by your logic we should ban cars and liquor, because someone might be dumb enough to drink and drive and hurt someone, so lets get rid of them all JUST TO BE SAFE.

Please kid, take a seat.

That isn't my logic at all. You obviously can't tell the difference between something that can act upon it's own thoughts (live animals) versus something that is more or less a tool (that's a severe understatement but it makes my point)

Problem I have is that the few people who don't keep them properly are now placing the entire hobby in jeopardy. I for one just believe that if it's the entire hobby or the giants, the giants can be gone. We won't win this political war without breaking a few eggs. Sucks that your hobby is seen as dangerous.

For the record I do love and respect giants. I've owned them and worked with them. I just stick to my local by-laws because I'm not going to the cause for everyone to lose their hobby because I'm not selfish.

[Sherman]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Lots of other species that get larger and are pretty too. Suck it up and deal with it. I like wolves because of their personality but that isn't a reason for me to have one over a dog.

Wolves are entirely different, they aren't developed socially enough to be kept as standard dogs. If you're keeping one as you would a dog- I have a problem with it. If you're keeping a dog in a proper enclosure, with an 8'+ fence, 6' deep fence, and fed a natural raw diet- more power to you. I've worked with wolves and wolf dogs, they aren't bad animals and some people are more than capable of owning them.

Again, I'm not going to "suck it up and deal with it" other species of snakes are not fun to keep, why settle when I can do what I enjoy and what I love. I won't settle, I won't be a sheep.

You've missed my point here as well because you've never read all my posts. I'm talking about the illegal keeping of the species. If it's legal where you are, it's less of a problem for me. I still prefer they were just out of the hobby.

I'd prefer the cancer that is ball pythons out of the hobby too, maybe that way all the people who keep snakes/get into snakes for the money aspect would leave with them, but that doesn't mean it's a smart argument now does it.

That isn't my logic at all. You obviously can't tell the difference between something that can act upon it's own thoughts (live animals) versus something that is more or less a tool (that's a severe understatement but it makes my point)

Sure thing, I guess dogs should be banned to then? Especially bully breeds with the potential to do serious harm. Punish all owners because of the minority of irresponsible ones. Just because you want a mastiff, pitbull, rott, etc doesn't mean you should have one, just get a small dog, deal with it.

Problem I have is that the few people who don't keep them properly are now placing the entire hobby in jeopardy. I for one just believe that if it's the entire hobby or the giants, the giants can be gone. We won't win this political war without breaking a few eggs. Sucks that your hobby is seen as dangerous.

Have you ever talked to politicians? They hear "boa" or "python" and get scared REGARDLESS of species. If you think giants being banned is going to stop them from going after ALL species of snakes you are fooling yourself and delusional. They wanted to ban ball pythons just as badly as giants originally, we fought it back to the few species that ended up banned.

All snakes are seen as dangerous, I've watched people freak out of corn snakes and boas, get real. To your experienced reptile keeper you have a point, to your average uneducated Joe- your words mean nothing. To HSUS- they don't care, and want them all banned regardless.

For the record I do love and respect giants. I've owned them and worked with them. I just stick to my local by-laws because I'm not going to the cause for everyone to lose their hobby because I'm not selfish.

My laws allow them to be legal. No one is going to lose their hobby because of me.

Giant keepers are on the front lines of this fight, we are the most passionate, driven, group of reptile keepers I've met alongside experienced varanid keepers. You don't see this level of passion, drive, etc out of most average bp or corn keepers. We bust our asses to keep our animals and protect YOURS from becoming next. If you think they will stop with giants- you need a serious reality check, you don't belong in this hobby.

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by Sherman

Wolves are entirely different, they aren't developed socially enough to be kept as standard dogs. If you're keeping one as you would a dog- I have a problem with it. If you're keeping a dog in a proper enclosure, with an 8'+ fence, 6' deep fence, and fed a natural raw diet- more power to you. I've worked with wolves and wolf dogs, they aren't bad animals and some people are more than capable of owning them.

Again, I'm not going to "suck it up and deal with it" other species of snakes are not fun to keep, why settle when I can do what I enjoy and what I love. I won't settle, I won't be a sheep.


I'd prefer the cancer that is ball pythons out of the hobby too, maybe that way all the people who keep snakes/get into snakes for the money aspect would leave with them, but that doesn't mean it's a smart argument now does it.





Sure thing, I guess dogs should be banned to then? Especially bully breeds with the potential to do serious harm. Punish all owners because of the minority of irresponsible ones. Just because you want a mastiff, pitbull, rott, etc doesn't mean you should have one, just get a small dog, deal with it.


Have you ever talked to politicians? They hear "boa" or "python" and get scared REGARDLESS of species. If you think giants being banned is going to stop them from going after ALL species of snakes you are fooling yourself and delusional. They wanted to ban ball pythons just as badly as giants originally, we fought it back to the few species that ended up banned.

All snakes are seen as dangerous, I've watched people freak out of corn snakes and boas, get real. To your experienced reptile keeper you have a point, to your average uneducated Joe- your words mean nothing. To HSUS- they don't care, and want them all banned regardless.


My laws allow them to be legal. No one is going to lose their hobby because of me.

Giant keepers are on the front lines of this fight, we are the most passionate, driven, group of reptile keepers I've met alongside experienced varanid keepers. You don't see this level of passion, drive, etc out of most average bp or corn keepers. We bust our asses to keep our animals and protect YOURS from becoming next. If you think they will stop with giants- you need a serious reality check, you don't belong in this hobby.

I can't believe I read all that jargon.

[Aaron_S]

[QUOTE=Sherman;851569]Wolves are entirely different,[QUOTE]

What analogy would you like then? Tigers to cats? Guppies to great whites? They all hold water here considering we're talking about snakes who really aren't on the level of domestication as dogs or cats...yet you act like they are.

Again, I'm not going to "suck it up and deal with it" other species of snakes are not fun to keep, why settle when I can do what I enjoy and what I love. I won't settle, I won't be a sheep.

The fact you say you aren't a "sheep" by owning one of the more commonly kept species is laughable. Giants aren't really rare.

You're one of those people who believe you should get whatever you want just because you want it, right? The world doesn't work that way.

I'd prefer the cancer that is ball pythons out of the hobby too, maybe that way all the people who keep snakes/get into snakes for the money aspect would leave with them, but that doesn't mean it's a smart argument now does it.

How is it a cancer? I see it as a really large contributor to you keeping your animals currently. It's really funny that you say we're sheep and that what we keep is "cancer" yet you're the first to ask us to "ban together" as a "community" to save you from every bill. To petition for you yet you can't even offer us respect.

You think nobody owns retics for money? Kettle meet pot. Pot meet kettle. You should get along.

Sure thing, I guess dogs should be banned to then? Especially bully breeds with the potential to do serious harm. Punish all owners because of the minority of irresponsible ones. Just because you want a mastiff, pitbull, rott, etc doesn't mean you should have one, just get a small dog, deal with it.

Already are banned. Guess you really showed me huh?

Maybe when you can find an analogy that doesn't have a serious flaw I'd actually consider it. Dogs have a far higher intellect than a snake.

Have you ever talked to politicians?

Yes. I do on a regular basis. There's one that breeds snakes actually. They currently breed ball pythons, also has boas and at one time bred burmese pythons.

They hear "boa" or "python" and get scared REGARDLESS of species. If you think giants being banned is going to stop them from going after ALL species of snakes you are fooling yourself and delusional. They wanted to ban ball pythons just as badly as giants originally, we fought it back to the few species that ended up banned.

Have YOU spoken to a politician or just going off what you've blindly followed like a sheep from the mass hysteria you read on the internet? This sounds a lot like that.

In fact I've stood in front of two different councils for two different cities to get bylaws changed. They don't do what you just did if you present it properly. Apparently we needed the ball python guys to fix it and the giant keepers were too busy seeing who's got the "bigger snake". Am I right?

All snakes are seen as dangerous, I've watched people freak out of corn snakes and boas, get real. To your experienced reptile keeper you have a point, to your average uneducated Joe- your words mean nothing. To HSUS- they don't care, and want them all banned regardless.

Read above, you've certainly taken a drink from the sheep kool-aid they serve at giant keeper meetings didn't you? Think your somehow the most integral part of this hobby. The sad truth is that you are a minority. There's what truly 6? 10? giant species. I'm sure the hobby will live on with the dozens upon dozens of other ones.

I've spoken to many people frightened of snakes. A lot of bad information is out there but it's up to all of us to continue education.

My laws allow them to be legal. No one is going to lose their hobby because of me.

Have an escape and I beg to differ...

Giant keepers are on the front lines of this fight, we are the most passionate, driven, group of reptile keepers I've met alongside experienced varanid keepers. You don't see this level of passion, drive, etc out of most average bp or corn keepers. We bust our asses to keep our animals and protect YOURS from becoming next. If you think they will stop with giants- you need a serious reality check, you don't belong in this hobby.

It's all laughable. You aren't protecting squat. I've changed my by laws to allow the species I currently keep. Sorry kid, that's how it is. You've done nothing for me. I did it myself. The difference is that I have fact backing me. You don't have fact that they won't pursue ball pythons, I have facts that say they have.

In a local city they've recently changed their by laws from outright ban on boas and pythons and gone to the 3 meter rule. Guess things aren't so bleak as you make them out to be?

Lastly, as I've stated, I've owned and worked with giants. I've had a myriad of species throughout my life and I've been really lucky in the chances to work with what I have. Just because I choose a species that fits my current lifestyle doesn't mean I lack passion or love for my snakes.

Honestly, I have yet to see any true passion from a giant keeper. No drive really. Just taking large animals and shoving them into boxes. All I see are the same meat heads that park in parking lots with their stupid "suped" up cars. Just one big giant Richard size contest.

I'm now done with you.

[KORBIN5895]

And yet again Kyle has recruited someone to come and fight his battles for him. I think it's time to send Kyle packing as all he does is bring ******** here to save his pathetic hide.

Originally Posted by Sherman

Giant keepers are on the front lines of this fight, we are the most passionate, driven, group of reptile keepers I've met alongside experienced varanid keepers. You don't see this level of passion, drive, etc out of most average bp or corn keepers. We bust our asses to keep our animals and protect YOURS from becoming next. If you think they will stop with giants- you need a serious reality check, you don't belong in this hobby.

You sir are a complete moron. Nice dig at Canadians but it obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.

Giant keepers are a special breed of ignorant idiots with a healthy mixture of pure assholes. You guys think you are saving our hobby by championing your giants when in reality you are endangering the whole hobby just to keep what you feel entitled to keep. You are all a bunch of arrogant fools that are trying to compensate for your wee willies. Please go back to bigticslittledicks as you're not welcome here. We don't need any ignorant bigots.