Feed Guide for Newbies (Rats v Mice)

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by jarich

This was the reason for my including you in the response man, nothing more. I have no desire to argue about which is better, as I have stated very clearly that I think all these food items are perfectly acceptable.

Well I get a little offended when people tell I have a limited understanding about things. As far as which is better...where I live I get more food for my money with rabbits but not all of my snakes eat them (size). The snakes I feed rabbit to are adults and I preffer lean healthy snakes over fat pudding blobs so less fat and thus less total calories is better for them. My others all get rats and I will say rats are superior to mice for one reason....cost. Now if you have a corn or a garter or any small snake that will not need to eat anything larger than an adult mouse then cost would never be an issue. An adult carpet (for example) eating a bunch of mice at a time will cost more than one big rat(at least here it would).
Nutritionaly the differences are very small and I doubt a snakes health or quality of life would suffer from only being fed one or the other.
So I guess the term "better" is true but only relative to the context it is used. So for me cheaper is better. For others leaner is better and for some availability is better.
I still think Chris did a good job with this and will be telling newer keepers to read it.

[Chris72]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Well I get a little offended when people tell I have a limited understanding about things. As far as which is better...where I live I get more food for my money with rabbits but not all of my snakes eat them (size).

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I still think Chris did a good job with this and will be telling newer keepers to read it.

Thanks Dan.
And thanks to those who offered some kudos or constructive input.

(What was that talk of needed another Mod to keep the peace when peace breaks down...?...yeah,
That!...I vote Aaron.)

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by Chris72

Thanks Dan.
And thanks to those who offered some kudos or constructive input.

(What was that talk of needed another Mod to keep the peace when peace breaks down...?...yeah,
That!...I vote Aaron.)

I don't think this got out of control. If all parties put a little water on the fire will go out. No mod required. There is a fine line between moderator and goderator. You have to allow things to go their course sometimes even if it is not what you want to read. You will know when peace has broken down. It goes south pretty quick. PM's start flying and people get banned. This thread is no where near that. Someone just needs to learn how to talk to people without being rude where no rudeness should be.

[Chris72]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

I don't think this got out of control. If all parties put a little water on the fire will go out. No mod required. There is a fine line between moderator and goderator. You have to allow things to go their course sometimes even if it is not what you want to read. You will know when peace has broken down. It goes south pretty quick. PM's start flying and people get banned. This thread is no where near that. Someone just needs to learn how to talk to people without being rude where no rudeness should be.

Agreed. Have seen that happen for no reason on other forums and there is no reason for a fire in the first place. thats why I am making a large effort to not get pulled in. I really didnt want all the negative, empty, garbage to foul the thread.

Additional input that built on the basic info provided, with data for context, where applicable would have just made the thread better. Unfortunately that takes effort and time.

Too bad it’s too easy to heckle blindly from a corner.

[jarich]

Originally Posted by Chris72

Agreed. Have seen that happen for no reason on other forums and there is no reason for a fire in the first place. thats why I am making a large effort to not get pulled in. I really didnt want all the negative, empty, garbage to foul the thread.

Additional input that built on the basic info provided, with data for context, where applicable would have just made the thread better. Unfortunately that takes effort and time.

Too bad it’s too easy to heckle blindly from a corner.

Oh and for the sake of the peace, Ill not react to you telling me multiple times in this thread that Im "babbling" or "empty" or "blindly" saying "garbage". You seem like a fairly smart guy, so Im sure you'll soon pick up on the fact that none of those are accurate descriptions applicable to me. Admittedly, I do like a good debate as I think it often spurs more research for both parties, but we can disagree without the need to resort to insult. I always try to make sure its not personal and only about the research. Please try to do the same.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Chris72

Thanks Dan.
And thanks to those who offered some kudos or constructive input.

(What was that talk of needed another Mod to keep the peace when peace breaks down...?...yeah,
That!...I vote Aaron.)

You don't want Aaron because he'd boot your whining can so fast. What are you crying for? Just because you are making assertive claims that aren't 100% true?

Doesn't a 40g mouse have more fat than a 40g rat? Don't they also have more calcium?

[Chris72]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

You don't want Aaron because he'd boot your whining can so fast. What are you crying for? Just because you are making assertive claims that aren't 100% true?

Doesn't a 40g mouse have more fat than a 40g rat? Don't they also have more calcium?

A) I could be wrong...but I think not. Met Aaron..Seems like a sensible guy…not a bully.

B) "Making assertive claims that aren't 100% true?" Where please? Please answer with additional data or information to clarify, but not just flaming for the sake of flaming.

C) 40g rat v 40g mouse: Nope. Have a quick look at the O.P. Adult mouse to sub adult rat...The sub adult rat has statically insignificantly higher protein but statistically higher fat %. Also a sub adult rat will have a statistically higher level of both Fe (iron) and Zn (zinc) which have a direct correlation to many things including red blood cell count, O2 transfer and respiratory health (Fe), and overall immune system health (Zn).

[jarich]

Originally Posted by Chris72

A) I could be wrong...but I think not. Met Aaron..Seems like a sensible guy…not a bully.

B) "Making assertive claims that aren't 100% true?" Where please? Please answer with additional data or information to clarify, but not just flaming for the sake of flaming.

C) 40g rat v 40g mouse: Nope. Have a quick look at the O.P. Adult mouse to sub adult rat...The sub adult rat has statically insignificantly higher protein but statistically higher fat %. Also a sub adult rat will have a statistically higher level of both Fe (iron) and Zn (zinc) which have a direct correlation to many things including red blood cell count, O2 transfer and respiratory health (Fe), and overall immune system health (Zn).

You might want to look again. Adult mouse has 137.9 mg of Iron (Fe), while the sub adult rat has 133.2 mg.