True length of "record" giant pythons.

[smy_749]

Freebody, your example is irrelevant :P

If you bred 2 normal retics and they had an freak baby who was very small, fine.

But what about if you marry a very short woman, with the intent to have a shorter child. And you teach your children to marry short women/men, so that they can have short children as well.

These dwarfs are being produced intentionally, not accidentally, through selective breeding. Giving birth to a dwarf is just genetic mishap, not selective/intentional.

And yes, humans are stubborn/selfish, and so long as it appeals to our needs, animals will always take the back seat.

I don't know if the snake suffers in any way, though I doubt it. (I don't his fellow retics make fun of him at school) but its just about the fact that we probably would go to the extent of breeding something which suffers, for our own pleasure. (like the albino niles/iguanas who can barely see if anything at all)

[Freebody]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Freebody, your example is irrelevant :P

If you bred 2 normal retics and they had an freak baby who was very small, fine.

But what about if you marry a very short woman, with the intent to have a shorter child. And you teach your children to marry short women/men, so that they can have short children as well.

These dwarfs are being produced intentionally, not accidentally, through selective breeding. Giving birth to a dwarf is just genetic mishap, not selective/intentional.

And yes, humans are stubborn/selfish, and so long as it appeals to our needs, animals will always take the back seat.

I don't know if the snake suffers in any way, though I doubt it. (I don't his fellow retics make fun of him at school) but its just about the fact that we probably would go to the extent of breeding something which suffers, for our own pleasure. (like the albino niles/iguanas who can barely see if anything at all)

how do you figure it not relevant lol its the same thing, someone found and adult retic that was very small, they realized by breeding it, that it produced much smaller adults, after 3 succesfull breeding they can now call it a dwarf, or whatever trait it has proven to find, this is how morphs come to be, and with the success of the baby outcome they can determine is its codom or recesive traits, dwarf/little people is a codom train in humans if im correct not sure 100%, but it has been proven that dwarf is a genetic anomaly, people who have children and either of the parents are dwarf, its a known fact you run a high chance of having dwarf/little people children of your own, im not talking about normal short/tall people! LOL im talking about the genetics of dwarf/ little people, the same trait found in dwarf snakes. actually in humans dwarf/little people actually suffer lots of health problems due to this genetic anomaly, but even then I don't think either is cruelty, so said person meeting a dwarf person falling in love with them, decide to have children, knowing full well you very possibly will be bringing dwarf children into the world is cruel? same thing as having a dwarf snake and breeding it, knowing full well you will produce dwarf snakes is cruel, thus my points, either is not cruel at all. its a personal choice, you find it sick to bring said dwarfism into the world, or you don't, its not a matter of cruelty it a person choice.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Freebody

how do you figure it not relevant lol its the same thing, someone found and adult retic that was very small, they realized by breeding it, that it produced much smaller adults, after 3 succesfull breeding they can now call it a dwarf, and with the success of the baby outcome they can determine is itc codom or recesive traits, dwarf/little people is a codom train in humans if im correct not sure 100%, but it has been proven that dwarf is a genetic anomaly, people who have children and either of the parents are dwarf, its a known fact you run a high chance of having dwarf/little people children of your own, im not talking about short people! LOL im stated dwarf/ little people, the same trait as dwarf snakes. so meeting a dwarf person falling in love with them, and having children knowing full well you very possibly will be bringing dwarf children into the world is the same thing as having a dwarf snake and breeding it, knowing full well you will produce dwarf snakes, thus my points, either is not cruel at all.

I don't think its 'cruel' because I don't think the snake suffers. But it is different. If a person chooses to have a baby with another dwarf, thats fine, because they chose it.

The problem is that we, humans, are choosing for the snakes, based on OUR interested. Again, I don't think its cruel because I'm not aware if there's any suffering going on with regards to the snake.

But your example is more like, me or you, of normal height, making 2 dwarfs have a baby. The retic doesn't pick.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by smy_749

I don't think its 'cruel' because I don't think the snake suffers. But it is different. If a person chooses to have a baby with another dwarf, thats fine, because they chose it.

The problem is that we, humans, are choosing for the snakes, based on OUR interested. Again, I don't think its cruel because I'm not aware if there's any suffering going on with regards to the snake.

But your example is more like, me or you, of normal height, making 2 dwarfs have a baby. The retic doesn't pick.

My point is humans are selfish. If there was a gene that produced animals without eyes. Or animals without teeth. We'd still produce them as long as they looked cool to us.