Having bad luck lately! Very upset.

ptbmaniac · 02-17-13, 08:05 PM

I am having so much bad luck and heart break in the last month! A few weeks ago my favorite leopard gecko died overnight due to a bad shed that ended up suffocating her! That was a tough pill to swallow. And now my other one has developed ulcers in BOTH eyes! The vet gave us drops to use,but the outlook is not too good. She has been eating and is healthy in every other way.I cant believe both her eyes have ulcers. I have NEVER had problems like this with any reptiles. It just breaks my heart to lose one,and have one that is having these issues!

Corey209 · 02-17-13, 08:16 PM

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I am having so much bad luck and heart break in the last month! A few weeks ago my favorite leopard gecko died overnight due to a bad shed that ended up suffocating her! That was a tough pill to swallow. And now my other one has developed ulcers in BOTH eyes! The vet gave us drops to use,but the outlook is not too good. She has been eating and is healthy in every other way.I cant believe both her eyes have ulcers. I have NEVER had problems like this with any reptiles. It just breaks my heart to lose one,and have one that is having these issues!

Is your humidity high enough? and ulcers in the eyes are from something like substrate getting stuck in the eye if i'm not mistaken. I'd look into changing substrates.

Sorry for your loss though.

ptbmaniac · 02-17-13, 08:44 PM

Humidity is fine,and I have cage carpet as the substrate and moss in the humid hide! The vet actually said that she believed that both were caused by scratches to the eye. She was very pleased with my setup and everything! She said that it happens alot with special breedings. She said it was very very common for leopard geckos that have been breed for color.She says that she hates it when breeders mess with special breeding for color. I have to say that she knows her stuff.She has been with the bronx zoo for 27 years! This leopard Gecko is the first non normal I have ever owned.

KORBIN5895 · 02-17-13, 08:57 PM

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Humidity is fine,and I have cage carpet as the substrate and moss in the humid hide! The vet actually said that she believed that both were caused by scratches to the eye. She was very pleased with my setup and everything! She said that it happens alot with special breedings. She said it was very very common for leopard geckos that have been breed for color.She says that she hates it when breeders mess with special breeding for color. I have to say that she knows her stuff.She has been with the bronx zoo for 27 years! This leopard Gecko is the first non normal I have ever owned.

Honestly your vet sounds cracked. I'm not sure how morph breeding causes scratches to the eye. It honestly sounds like some one who is stuck on the thought that people shouldn't" interfere" with nature.

ptbmaniac · 02-17-13, 09:20 PM

I guess this post was a mistake. A vet with 27 years at a major zoo knows nothing! Atleast I actially took my gecko to a vet(A DAMN good vet too) instead of letting it die! LMe keeping my animals the way they should be kept with the right setup is wrong! Leopard Geckos as well as many animals can have defects due to breeding techniques.There are plenty of articles on line about it. And ALL my reptiles have come from Breeders either bought online or at reptile shows! God forbid me to share a story about something I care deeply about! I am NOT against breeding for colors and designs as long as ot is done with the animals health in mind. This is why I never post on forums I just read EVERY SINGLE DAY! Animals are my life! I am not new to reptiles! But there is always more to learn. But because someone does not agree with a vet even though there IS scientific proof that they were right,that makes them a quack! Whatever!

KORBIN5895 · 02-17-13, 11:07 PM

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I guess this post was a mistake. A vet with 27 years at a major zoo knows nothing! Atleast I actially took my gecko to a vet(A DAMN good vet too) instead of letting it die! LMe keeping my animals the way they should be kept with the right setup is wrong! Leopard Geckos as well as many animals can have defects due to breeding techniques.There are plenty of articles on line about it. And ALL my reptiles have come from Breeders either bought online or at reptile shows! God forbid me to share a story about something I care deeply about! I am NOT against breeding for colors and designs as long as ot is done with the animals health in mind. This is why I never post on forums I just read EVERY SINGLE DAY! Animals are my life! I am not new to reptiles! But there is always more to learn. But because someone does not agree with a vet even though there IS scientific proof that they were right,that makes them a quack! Whatever!

Wow.... amazing reply. Maybe you should get out more or something....

Honestly though if you really think breeding for morphs is more likely to cause one to scratch another's eye then you obviously need to do more research.

Corey209 · 02-17-13, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ptbmaniac

I guess this post was a mistake. A vet with 27 years at a major zoo knows nothing! Atleast I actially took my gecko to a vet(A DAMN good vet too) instead of letting it die! LMe keeping my animals the way they should be kept with the right setup is wrong! Leopard Geckos as well as many animals can have defects due to breeding techniques.There are plenty of articles on line about it. And ALL my reptiles have come from Breeders either bought online or at reptile shows! God forbid me to share a story about something I care deeply about! I am NOT against breeding for colors and designs as long as ot is done with the animals health in mind. This is why I never post on forums I just read EVERY SINGLE DAY! Animals are my life! I am not new to reptiles! But there is always more to learn. But because someone does not agree with a vet even though there IS scientific proof that they were right,that makes them a quack! Whatever!

No reason to get so offended, just prove your point that eye ulcers can be linked to trait breeding..

KORBIN5895 · 02-17-13, 11:11 PM

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No reason to get so offended, just prove your point that eye ulcers can be linked to trait breeding..

He didn't say eye ulcers he said scratches.

Corey209 · 02-17-13, 11:15 PM

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And now my other one has developed ulcers in BOTH eyes!

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He didn't say eye ulcers he said scratches.

Yes he did

KORBIN5895 · 02-17-13, 11:20 PM

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The vet actually said that she believed that both were caused by scratches to the eye. She was very pleased with my setup and everything! She said that it happens alot with special breedings. She said it was very very common for leopard geckos that have been breed for color.

Here you go Corey. He clearly says the vet says that the scratched eyes happen a lot because of "special breedings"

**Aaron_S** · 02-17-13, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ptbmaniac

I guess this post was a mistake. A vet with 27 years at a major zoo knows nothing! Atleast I actially took my gecko to a vet(A DAMN good vet too) instead of letting it die! LMe keeping my animals the way they should be kept with the right setup is wrong! Leopard Geckos as well as many animals can have defects due to breeding techniques.There are plenty of articles on line about it. And ALL my reptiles have come from Breeders either bought online or at reptile shows! God forbid me to share a story about something I care deeply about! I am NOT against breeding for colors and designs as long as ot is done with the animals health in mind. This is why I never post on forums I just read EVERY SINGLE DAY! Animals are my life! I am not new to reptiles! But there is always more to learn. But because someone does not agree with a vet even though there IS scientific proof that they were right,that makes them a quack! Whatever!

So no one is allowed to disagree with anyone anymore?

I know you're new and you obviously missed reading the epic threads of a Bronx Zoo keeper of many years being WRONG about caring for a LOT of reptiles. I wouldn't be surprised that the vet is just as wrong too. Besides, wouldn't a zoo vet be too busy with all their stuff to deal with the public?

I'd like to point out that it's really, REALLY odd that a leopard gecko die of strangulation from a shed. These animals are hardwired to take care of these issues since they were ever on this planet so I'd say it had to do with your husbandry. Another thing to point to your improper husbandry could be these "ulcers" in the eyes. Just strange that two geckos would be so ill so quickly with completely unrelated reasons to husbandry. Even though you think it's fine, I'd second check EVERYTHING just to be sure. You know, since animals are your life I don't see why double or triple checks aren't worth the few minutes it takes.

For what it's worth. Sucks you lost animals. Hopefully the issues are corrected.

ptbmaniac · 02-17-13, 11:32 PM

C'mon guys is it really that freaking hard to read! The vet said that it was very common for leopard geckos that have been specially breed to have problems with the eyes! However she thought that my gecko had scratched both eyes somehow,either during a shed with her nails,or a cricket,or possibly on the wood hide. The scratches have NOTHING to do with breeding!!! I said that I have read that leos do have a lot of problems with their eyes and that certain genetics can cause increased risk! No where in the post did I say the vet said that genetics caused the scratches! To even think that is stupid!

ptbmaniac · 02-17-13, 11:55 PM

Setups are a 20 long with cage carpet as substrate. Uth for heat. Wood and resin hides,and a tupperware humid hide on the hot side. Moss is used in the humid hide. Flat stones used in the corners to hold carpet in place. Shallow water bowl,small calcium bowl,and small food bowl.Hot side is between 90-92 degrees.Cool side between 75-78. They are fed mealworms and crickets as staple foods. Crickets are gutloaded properly and dusted before feeding. Mealworms are checked and are alive for feeding. Now if someone wants to add imput to this than that will be much appreciated. I would like ONLY the people who would like to give honest opinions and facts to respond please. People who come to this site are looking for info not a bunch of pointless bickering and flaming.My animals come before I do. I dont eat if they cant eat.Nobody else on this board does that. Now please,only constructive conversation please.

KORBIN5895 · 02-18-13, 12:11 AM

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Setups are a 20 long with cage carpet as substrate. Uth for heat. Wood and resin hides,and a tupperware humid hide on the hot side. Moss is used in the humid hide. Flat stones used in the corners to hold carpet in place. Shallow water bowl,small calcium bowl,and small food bowl.Hot side is between 90-92 degrees.Cool side between 75-78. They are fed mealworms and crickets as staple foods. Crickets are gutloaded properly and dusted before feeding. Mealworms are checked and are alive for feeding. Now if someone wants to add imput to this than that will be much appreciated. I would like ONLY the people who would like to give honest opinions and facts to respond please. People who come to this site are looking for info not a bunch of pointless bickering and flaming.My animals come before I do. I dont eat if they cant eat.Nobody else on this board does that. Now please,only constructive conversation please.

Seriously? Shall I start a "ptbmaniac walks on water" thread for you?

Maybe you should get off your egotistical and self-righteous high horse and learn to put you thoughts into a coherent order so we don't have to try and divine what you are saying.

You said " My vet thinks she scratched her eyes, she approves my setup and special bred animals have this problem." Wonderful way to get your point across.

ptbmaniac · 02-18-13, 12:51 AM

And obviously you cant get past anything. since it seems that nobody even wants to try and say anything that might help I am done. I wrote it a different way so eveeryone could clearly see what I meant. I thought this board was for the good of the animals,not a place for humans to fight. Now I switched the whole damn conversation to my setups so that if there was a problem with them somebody with a brain would help us. I have been on this site EVERYDAY since 2004 when I signed up,trying to soak in everything i read.I see thread after thread of people getting flamed by people who try and belittle everyone because their "Snake" is bigger. I am almost 32 with a wife and better things to do than argue with a bunch of idiots. Why is it sodamn hard for people to help others on this site? All I want to know now is if there is something wrong with my setups? Its a yes or no question. Is there something else I shuld do? I am firking over hundreds of dollars trying to help this poor creature who has eye problems! If it sounded like I said something different than im sorry,but I did say that the eye ulcers were caused by scratches NOT by breeding.Why is that so difficult to understand? I did say that there are their are risks with the eyes and other body parts because of genetics.
A quick search on google will tell you that. Some strains have been born with half eyes,1 eye,no eyes,eye diseases,no tails,no legs,too many legs,and other issues. This is not the case with my gecko.I dont know how many times I have to say that. I will continue to come to this site everyday,because I dont hold grudges. I just dont get why there always has to be a few people that have to belittle people instead of helping.