Snake on lap.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So you're saying because all cornsnakes are docile and tolerate handling that it's affection and they "lap up" attention? You'd be sure to be a nobel prize winner if you can prove that snakes have the cognitive brain function to know and understand such things.

I'm being honest. Write a paper, submit it to be peer reviewed on your findings with your carpet python since you've done what no scientist has yet to do.

Then i shall make myself more clear Aaron . First , i DO NOT think snakes think like humuns , i dont think they think at all , please i am not stupid . I have kept reptiles for 20 years ,and have watched my reptiles up close . I am a animal, reptile lover and DO NOT false my snake to do anything . That is what the thread was about . When he is out of his viv , he will come over to me and rests on me , at his own choice , i pet him and he just lays there relaxed , i`am sure its only for the warmth !! I have had him for 15 years , i`am sure he is relaxed around me by now . Do you follow ?

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Tracy33

Then i shall make myself more clear Aaron . First , i DO NOT think snakes think like humuns , i dont think they think at all , please i am not stupid . I have kept reptiles for 20 years ,and have watched my reptiles up close . I am a animal, reptile lover and DO NOT false my snake to do anything . That is what the thread was about . When he is out of his viv , he will come over to me and rests on me , at his own choice , i pet him and he just lays there relaxed , i`am sure its only for the warmth !! I have had him for 15 years , i`am sure he is relaxed around me by now . Do you follow ?

Now you're backtracking because in previous posts you've stated he seems to enjoy the petting. Like he actually gets something from it.

I'm serious, if you truly think these things write them all down. I'd like someone to actually prove it for the entire world to see.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Now you're backtracking because in previous posts you've stated he seems to enjoy the petting. Like he actually gets something from it.

I'm serious, if you truly think these things write them all down. I'd like someone to actually prove it for the entire world to see.

Ok now your really being funny . In previous posts , what then i meant to say was , that when he comes over to me , he SEEMS to not mind, and he SEEMS to take a stroke under the chin .Its all of his free choice , and YES i think his cool with that . Its really not rocket science , if he did not like it , he would move away , its as simple as that !!!

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Tracy33

Ok now your really being funny . In previous posts , what then i meant to say was , that when he comes over to me , he SEEMS to not mind, and he SEEMS to take a stroke under the chin .Its all of his free choice , and YES i think his cool with that . Its really not rocket science , if he did not like it , he would move away , its as simple as that !!!

You're trying to be funny now.

If he DOES like it then make notes and write a paper is what I'm saying. Why be selfish and keep this incredible cognitive snake to yourself?

I think it's false because then all cornsnakes and ball pythons and every other docile animal likes being handled.

You say he'd just move away if he didn't like it and then prior to that just say "it SEEMS" that way. It's plainly obvious that you are coming to the conclusion that he has the ability to 'feel' well above any reported scientific findings prior. Why not report that officially? Stand behind your own statement.

[Pareeeee]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You're trying to be funny now.

If he DOES like it then make notes and write a paper is what I'm saying. Why be selfish and keep this incredible cognitive snake to yourself?

I think it's false because then all cornsnakes and ball pythons and every other docile animal likes being handled.

You say he'd just move away if he didn't like it and then prior to that just say "it SEEMS" that way. It's plainly obvious that you are coming to the conclusion that he has the ability to 'feel' well above any reported scientific findings prior. Why not report that officially? Stand behind your own statement.

I don't know what to think. Scientific behavioural studies with reptiles are really behind the times, they are discovering new things about lizards and snakes all the time.

What I think is that he doesn't necessary "like" being petted, but after 15 years of conditioning is "used" to it. Just like snakes come to recognize feeding tongs, they can come to recognize and get used to other things, such as their owners. I doubt they "like" their owners, they like warmth and they can become accustomed to things.

Do I make sense?

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Pareeeee

I don't know what to think. Scientific behavioural studies with reptiles are really behind the times, they are discovering new things about lizards and snakes all the time.

What I think is that he doesn't necessary "like" being petted, but after 15 years of conditioning is "used" to it. Just like snakes come to recognize feeding tongs, they can come to recognize and get used to other things, such as their owners. I doubt they "like" their owners, they like warmth and they can become accustomed to things.

Do I make sense?

You make sense but a paper should be written if this is fully true.

[Pareeeee]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You make sense but a paper should be written if this is fully true.

Yes but no one is writing one It seems that more research is done on mammals & birds than reptiles. I mean they only discovered that varanids have venom in what, 2006? How did they miss THAT all these years?

The problem with snakes is that they are rather difficult to read. They are very alien compared to us, no legs, no ears, their behaviour is quite different from other animals. I think most animals are more intelligent than we give them credit, they are always surprising us.

I know that the brain size = intelligence is a myth (for the most part), considering that mice can be trained to do all kinds of tricks and have the ability to figure things out, yet some animals with larger brains don't *seem* as intelligent.

Even my FISH (an animal that most people consider to be stupid) have memory and recognition ability. If they were wild, they would flee from a big creature such as a human, but they recognize that I mean food, and become especially excited when they see the red food container.

So if fish can recognize things, then surely we can't rule out that snakes can too? I know I overuse the "they recognize the feeding tongs" thing, but it does show some type of memory recall and recognition ability, no matter how primitive.

Anyways, I'm rambling. I could talk about this stuff forever.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Pareeeee

I don't know what to think. Scientific behavioural studies with reptiles are really behind the times, they are discovering new things about lizards and snakes all the time.

What I think is that he doesn't necessary "like" being petted, but after 15 years of conditioning is "used" to it. Just like snakes come to recognize feeding tongs, they can come to recognize and get used to other things, such as their owners. I doubt they "like" their owners, they like warmth and they can become accustomed to things.

Do I make sense?

I agree with that , and i have read about this in recent times. As you say , they are doing more research now .

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You're trying to be funny now.

If he DOES like it then make notes and write a paper is what I'm saying. Why be selfish and keep this incredible cognitive snake to yourself?

I think it's false because then all cornsnakes and ball pythons and every other docile animal likes being handled.

You say he'd just move away if he didn't like it and then prior to that just say "it SEEMS" that way. It's plainly obvious that you are coming to the conclusion that he has the ability to 'feel' well above any reported scientific findings prior. Why not report that officially? Stand behind your own statement.

I dont understand you , and you are just wanting to wind this up . What is wrong with a snake that wants to hang out , there are plenty of times he does not want to be touched or handled . Snakes have bad eyesight and no ears , but they can sense what is around them , it is a fact . What else can i say to you . I think you should write a paper , as you know so much !!!

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Tracy33

I dont understand you , and you are just wanting to wind this up . What is wrong with a snake that wants to hang out , there are plenty of times he does not want to be touched or handled . Snakes have bad eyesight and no ears , but they can sense what is around them , it is a fact . What else can i say to you . I think you should write a paper , as you know so much !!!

Papers already are written on my stance. It's where I gather my knowledge. I'm saying someone like you, who sees them differently should publish their findings.

Apparently that suggestion isn't allowed.

[Tracy33]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Papers already are written on my stance. It's where I gather my knowledge. I'm saying someone like you, who sees them differently should publish their findings.

Apparently that suggestion isn't allowed.

I do not see snakes differently , if you can not understand everything i have been saying , then there is something wrong with you. Yes i worded it wrong at start , but now have set the record straight.

[formica]

ignore function exists, awsome. must go and find it, cant believe after only 2weeks on here I want to put ppl on ignore lol ah well



great looking snake

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by formica

ignore function exists, awsome. must go and find it, cant believe after only 2weeks on here I want to put ppl on ignore lol ah well



great looking snake

You missed my post. Ignore makes it worse not better.