need a little help here

[iBaman]

Originally Posted by TalonNC

I'm not retic expert...but isnt there a chance you DONT get a puppy dog retic like the one in the Youtube...and end up with a Hell Bender like Satan from BHB..?

Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by iBaman

Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

[iBaman]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

how much do they really move when not hunting, though? not very much. They conserve all of that energy FOR hunting. Once you eliminate the need to hunt, you eliminate the 'need' for a giant space. Our pet store has a very large enclosure for the big snakes. Once they hit 8ft, they stay at the bottom.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by iBaman

how much do they really move when not hunting, though? not very much. They conserve all of that energy FOR hunting. Once you eliminate the need to hunt, you eliminate the 'need' for a giant space. Our pet store has a very large enclosure for the big snakes. Once they hit 8ft, they stay at the bottom.

I don't know. How much do they? I've never observed a wild one. But if you let it out for "exercise," then I assume it does move, does it not? So, if given the proper space, wouldn't it move without being let out too?

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

I'd love to see people who can't realistically house them just not own them. Have nothing against them being kept in and of itself, but like I said, this would be like putting my horse in a dog kennel. Even if I took him out for "exercise," it would be considered cruelty. But with a snake, well, who cares? It's 'good enough.'

~Maggot

Just because I can see both sides of a coin with an open mind (apparently retic keepers can't) I'd like to state a horse and giant snake are two different things. Horses have an actual need for stimulation. Snakes do not.

I think 6x3 is too small for snakes over 12 feet. I think 18 footers need even bigger enclosures but hey I don't belong to the mythological patheon of retic nation so hey my information doesn't matter.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Just because I can see both sides of a coin with an open mind (apparently retic keepers can't) I'd like to state a horse and giant snake are two different things. Horses have an actual need for stimulation. Snakes do not.

I think 6x3 is too small for snakes over 12 feet. I think 18 footers need even bigger enclosures but hey I don't belong to the mythological patheon of retic nation so hey my information doesn't matter.

I'm aware that there are psychological differences, but the fact remains that the 'enclosures' for either are so small that neither animal can move much at all - which isn't a way any animal should be kept, though it is a greater cruelty to some because of the difference you pointed out - and that, with horses, if people can't "realistically" house them, then they usually just don't buy them. But with giant snakes, well, to hell with it; do what you can and the snake will have to make do. So my point was just that it's really sad in either circumstance, disregarding how comparably sad, as I recognise that it's a different level to keep a horse in a kennel than a giant snake in such a small enclosure.

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by iBaman

Those make the best breeders!! ;D

To everyone about the viv size...it seems small, but for most people, it's unrealistic to have a room for a snake like that...let alone enough for breeders. As long as they get out for 'exercise', it's fine. 632 is the favorite size, and once the animal gets over 18ft, it gets put into an 8' viv. just my two cents, since you banned all the retic nation guys...

Actually only one got banned for making a comment that had a lot of people get their panties in a bunch and report it. (Not me). The rest just left crying to their little circle jerk. Can't handle any opposing views in a mature manner.

Since I saw you run to them already for the "God's truth" on all things retic, tell them to come back. I'm ready for another round.

I'd like to point out the bold part of your statement...maybe that's a reason why NOT to have them? It's unrealistic to keep gators in something so small so people don't do it but it's OKAY for giant pythons? Hmmm. Makes you wonder who's in denial.

[DeesBalls]

Originally Posted by TalonNC

I'm not retic expert...but isnt there a chance you DONT get a puppy dog retic like the one in the Youtube...and end up with a Hell Bender like Satan from BHB..?

Satan is a Burm though, not a retic. lol but same idea of the analogy

To the OP- make sure to keep us updated with bucnh of pictures.

[Terranaut]

I would also feel bad if I kept my 20' in something that small(if I had one). 15'x5'x5' would work or a nice bedroom of its own would be good.

[themeyers]

I know what you're saying about the size enclosure. And as for temperament she is a dream I have never had a calmer animal in my life. And she isn't even head shy in the least. Also she never seams to want to be put down. Like she can't get enough of us handling her lol. But thanks for all the help.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by themeyers

I know what you're saying about the size enclosure. And as for temperament she is a dream I have never had a calmer animal in my life. And she isn't even head shy in the least. Also she never seams to want to be put down. Like she can't get enough of us handling her lol. But thanks for all the help.

I just wanted to say that i hope you dont think i was having a go at you when i mentioned the enclosure size, i was just making a comment on the general way of keeping these large snakes

Glad you got a nice one, keep the pics coming

[iBaman]

Getting the guy's input, one second. (retic nation)

[iBaman]

it's one square foot per foot of snake. So a 6x3, which is what most retic keepers keep their snakes in, will house up to an 18' snake (6x3=18). Any bigger than that, they go in an 8x3, which is 24 feet of snake to house. Think about alllll the arguments we've had on here on how big they REALLY get. 24' is an achievement that DOES NOT happen very often.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by iBaman

it's one square foot per foot of snake. So a 6x3, which is what most retic keepers keep their snakes in, will house up to an 18' snake (6x3=18). Any bigger than that, they go in an 8x3, which is 24 feet of snake to house. Think about alllll the arguments we've had on here on how big they REALLY get. 24' is an achievement that DOES NOT happen very often.

Okay? Not sure what your point is.

~Maggot

[iBaman]

you (or someone else) asked why it was okay to house them in such a 'small' cage. I gave the answer.

also...have any of you ever SEEN how big a 6' cage is?