Scared for my boa - Page 6

Corey209 · 12-26-12, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You called her the 'FATHER' of thermodynamics.

Do you NOT see the gender problem? It's a WOMAN you're referring too.

By the way, what does the age of a bearded dragon have to do with the temperature of it's basking spot?

I'm not going to argue but I remember reading caresheets when I was interested in beardies saying the babies basking spot should be warmer.

Like I said I won't post anything I don't know 100% anymore, read the other posts clarifying this.

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Glad korbin straightened the situation out

And you called me the 'father' of thermodynamics.... I am a woman... haha

Was more of a sarcastic remark saying you're obviously the professional at thermodynamics. But yes everything is straightened out and I do not wish to argue.

KORBIN5895 · 12-26-12, 09:53 PM

Fwiw Corey is now here to learn and we will teach him. Let's let it go as he has admitted his mistakes.

Snakesitter · 12-28-12, 03:40 PM

Wow.

I hate to be a downer, but this entire thread is made of fail.

First and most important, it's got bad medical advice. NEVER assume or even suggest IBD without massive cause...because it's often bad guesswork that can lead to horribly incorrect and irreversible actions. How do I know? I received a single MISdiagnosis of it once, and had to go to specialists who proved that analysis to be 100% wrong. I ended up spending thousands of dollars with two specialists to clear 15 snakes (I tested widely to be sure), every single one of which came back negative/all clear...all on a flight of misdiagnosed fancy. IBD is a HORRIBLE thing to even SUGGEST based on a short verbal description, and anyone doing so should be ashamed.

Second and more minor, a help thread was allowed to degenerate into an argument complete with memes and mocking rather than helping the keeper in need. Someone was challenged on supporting conditions. Note the difference, move it to another thread if needed, but drop it from the main topic and move on. Having a public side flareup does the forum no favors with new readers who might otherwise be potential members.

Sorry for the lecture, but I've seen this forum do much better too often to not say something.

Back on topic...Dinosaur, I'm terribly sorry to hear your female is acting oddly...but there are many, many other causes than the I-word, including chemicals, trauma, and bad food. Unfortunately, the only solution is time under further observation, with appropriate vet tests to rule out specific causes based on those observations.

In the meantime, I would keep her quarantined from your male, just in case it is something communicable that has not yet transmitted. This goes beyond separate housing, and means handle her last and disinfect afterward.

Regardless, I would be cautious of ever boarding in a pet shop, simply because there is always risk. You have to trust not only them, but every customer who comes in and may bring a sick animal. From now on let your pets stay with a friend, and either toss a few bucks their way to take them to lunch/dinner as thanks.

I wish you the best of luck, and please keep us posted.

dinosaurdammit · 01-02-13, 09:23 PM

Guys wish me luck, tomorrow I go to the vet- again, to see test results and if all else fails I fear if I cannot treat her nor find out the underlying cause I will have to euthanize her. She just lays around all day, never moving and her head is all ganked up all the time. She still eats and while she cant strike accurately she still eats and hasnt lost any weight. I just dont feel like her quality of life is what it used to be. My male still is doing great, plugging around just fine. Poor athena, I love this snake but I dont want her to be uncomfortable or in pain. Wish me luck or send a prayer her way.

Terranaut · 01-03-13, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Guys wish me luck, tomorrow I go to the vet- again, to see test results and if all else fails I fear if I cannot treat her nor find out the underlying cause I will have to euthanize her. She just lays around all day, never moving and her head is all ganked up all the time. She still eats and while she cant strike accurately she still eats and hasnt lost any weight. I just dont feel like her quality of life is what it used to be. My male still is doing great, plugging around just fine. Poor athena, I love this snake but I dont want her to be uncomfortable or in pain. Wish me luck or send a prayer her way.

Good luck. I hope it's treatable and that you don't need to do anything harsh.

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Originally Posted by Snakesitter

Wow.

I hate to be a downer, but this entire thread is made of fail.

First and most important, it's got bad medical advice. NEVER assume or even suggest IBD without massive cause...because it's often bad guesswork that can lead to horribly incorrect and irreversible actions. How do I know? I received a single MISdiagnosis of it once, and had to go to specialists who proved that analysis to be 100% wrong. I ended up spending thousands of dollars with two specialists to clear 15 snakes (I tested widely to be sure), every single one of which came back negative/all clear...all on a flight of misdiagnosed fancy. IBD is a HORRIBLE thing to even SUGGEST based on a short verbal description, and anyone doing so should be ashamed.

Ashamed ? Seriously? It's crappy personal attacks like this have caused your "minor" issues as of late. I suggested they look into it. First response to the video was that the snake was not behaving in this manor. It would have been a fail on my part to not inform the op of it and to look for it considering they have other snakes. Sorry you had your bad luck but nobody here diagnosed anything. What if her snake had or has ibd? I doubt it does but if this were the case how many visits to that pet store would you want to have before they found out.
What did you add to the help? All you did is repeat everyone before you? You added nothing.
Get off the high horse. Don't attack members and stick to the issue and maybe the site will do better again. It sure has been over Christmas and I want it to stay.

BarelyBreathing · 01-03-13, 03:51 AM

Good luck, dinosaur!

dinosaurdammit · 01-03-13, 01:20 PM

I got a new computer for christmas so I hooked up my logitec webcam to it and was able to do a video of her behavior.
Athena - YouTube

Also in the background you can see my water dragon set up (the giant green thing) and the set up for jerry rice (which is the shorter viv). Also I dont know why the video made everything flip.

Corey209 · 01-03-13, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

I got a new computer for christmas so I hooked up my logitec webcam to it and was able to do a video of her behavior.
Athena - YouTube

Also in the background you can see my water dragon set up (the giant green thing) and the set up for jerry rice (which is the shorter viv). Also I dont know why the video made everything flip.

Was she tested for IBD?

"Signs of infection in boas include central nervous system disorders such as paralysis, being unable to right itself when turned over, "star-gazing", inability to strike or constrict. Other signs include chronic regurgitation, extreme weight loss, respiratory infections, and dysecdysis due to the inability to control body movements enough to rub off the old skin. The disease is rapidly fatal in young and juvenile boas, typified by rapid onset of flaccid paralysis."

dinosaurdammit · 01-03-13, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

Was she tested for IBD?

"Signs of infection in boas include central nervous system disorders such as paralysis, being unable to right itself when turned over, "star-gazing", inability to strike or constrict. Other signs include chronic regurgitation, extreme weight loss, respiratory infections, and dysecdysis due to the inability to control body movements enough to rub off the old skin. The disease is rapidly fatal in young and juvenile boas, typified by rapid onset of flaccid paralysis."

They did tissue samples and so far IBD didnt come up

Will0W783 · 01-03-13, 01:34 PM

She wouldn't be eating if she had IBD. As far as I know, one of the early signs is regurgitation and lack of feeding. I honestly don't know what could be wrong with her...poor girl. I'm sorry you are having to deal with this, and I hope you find answers.

**Aaron_S** · 01-03-13, 01:36 PM

I find the biggest problem with IBD is that there is NO CLEAR way of knowing 100% anything based of tests until post mortem.

The fact your snake is still eating and surviving I would guess it's something else.

dinosaurdammit · 01-03-13, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I find the biggest problem with IBD is that there is NO CLEAR way of knowing 100% anything based of tests until post mortem.

The fact your snake is still eating and surviving I would guess it's something else.

I am starting to wonder if it was trauma that happened at the boarding :/

**Aaron_S** · 01-03-13, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

I am starting to wonder if it was trauma that happened at the boarding :/

I'd question the owner/manager on what they use to clean the enclosures and if anything might have possibly happened. I'd talk them politely and be sure to make it clear you won't sue (at least I hope not) so they would be more honest so you can better help your animal.

In my experience, eating animals aren't sickly. I'd still keep her quarantined for a lengthy period of time and get the tests done that you can (you seem to have already).

Best of luck.

dinosaurdammit · 01-03-13, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I'd question the owner/manager on what they use to clean the enclosures and if anything might have possibly happened. I'd talk them politely and be sure to make it clear you won't sue (at least I hope not) so they would be more honest so you can better help your animal.

In my experience, eating animals aren't sickly. I'd still keep her quarantined for a lengthy period of time and get the tests done that you can (you seem to have already).

Best of luck.

Jerry rice is down stairs and athena is now upstairs in our master bathroom with the door shut at all times. Chantha has family over and i didnt want to burden her with snakes as well.

SO far she is pooping well, drinking and eating. With her issue i have been feeding her a smaller rat than usual once a week rather than a large one every 2 weeks. I didnt know if she would have trouble swallowing but so far she hasnt so I may bump her back to a normal large rat.

Pirarucu · 01-03-13, 02:25 PM

Well said Snakesitter. On the topic of IBD, if anyone suggests it, always take it with a grain of salt. People are all too eager to suggest it.. My burm picks up his head to get a clear view out of his cage all the time, I posted a picture and it was immediately diagnosed as IBD. Almost two years later and his "IBD" still hasn't killed him. Hmm..

I too would guess physical injury. It's possible she could have hurt herself. I know of one person with a retic that struck and hit the wall of its cage, and screwed up its neck. They ultimately decided to put it down if I remember right. Not saying that's what you should do, but just saying it's possible she injured herself. I'd get an X-Ray done and see what the vet has to say.