2 corns in one viv?

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I figured I'd add here. I don't know the background and don't remember where I got the photos. So suck it Kevin...


Anyway GRAPHIC PHOTO AHEAD....


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Hey Arron. Do you hear that? That's me rattling my zipper.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I had not heard of this experiment, but it's been proven that leos incubated at higher temps are less likely to be aggressive (ScienceDirect.com - Physiology & Behavior - Incubation temperature affects the behavior of adult leopard geckos (Eublepharis macularius)), so that would skew the results.

But I'd like to see some support to the claim that they live in colonies in the wild. I'd also like to see some evidence of the suggestion that the fact that these geckos were related made them more likely to get along.

I also find it very suspicious that none of these leos received any injuries (the only way he could know that is if he checked every leo every day). For this to really prove that this is a 100% effective method, all geckos would need to be checked every single day for any signs of injuries, they would need to be nearly constantly monitored to check for signs of aggression, and they would all need to be weighed and growth rates monitored, among other things. It's a nice anecdote, but proving that it can work (though it states that three males was too many, so it doesn't really seem all that revolutionary) isn't the same as proving it's natural for them and that they should be kept that way.

~Maggot

[beardeds4life]

I do not see any point in carrying this on because it is bound to get unfriendly.

But no one ever suggested that the fact that they are related made them get along. That could not be farther from the truth. It has been scientifically proven that the deep limbic system in all reptiles is extremely undeveloped. This is the part of the brain that control emotions. Reptiles can not feel love or family ties or anything of that matter.

Also male leopard geckos incubated at LOWER temps produce animals less likely to be aggressive. This is due to the fact that incubation temp controls the level of testosterone in their bodies. Males with low levels are almost always way less aggressive. These are dubbed "girlie" geckos. Now females produced at male incubation temperature (higher temp) are usually very aggressive due to HIGH levels of testosterone. These are dubbed "hot" females. They almost always are extremely aggressive.

[Aleks]

true! and I did breed some for some years and did keep some together... lost one female becose of it!

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

Leopard geckos don't naturally live in colonies. They're solitary animals. Some breeders house them together because it's more convenient, but even they agree that it should only be done by professionals because there are a multitude of problems that arise from it - bullying, fights, etc. Some of the leos can be hurt, not allowed food, or prevented from proper thermoregulation because they get pushed out of the best spots. Many people say no to ever housing leos together because they aren't communal reptiles. Also, no two males should ever, ever, ever be housed together, so I have no idea where you got the 1-2 males idea from.

Mourning geckos, however, are truly communal and do best in groups.

~Maggot

[Aleks]

And yes all of u u can keep 2 corns together and maybe never get any problems... the day that u will u will understand why I don't tell people to do so! and at the price I pay my corns.. I will never take the chance...

(waiting on korbin I know everything comment... cant wait to see it!)

[Aleks]

and by the way... I never talked about corn eating them self loll (even if possible that wasn't my point!)

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

I do not see any point in carrying this on because it is bound to get unfriendly.

...Why start the post with that and then proceed to carry it on?

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

But no one ever suggested that the fact that they are related made them get along. That could not be farther from the truth. It has been scientifically proven that the deep limbic system in all reptiles is extremely undeveloped. This is the part of the brain that control emotions. Reptiles can not feel love or family ties or anything of that matter.

"When you say now two males should ever be housed together I agree with you except for the rare exception that you have a naturalistic vivarium and the males are born and raised in the viv with their father."

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

Also male leopard geckos incubated at LOWER temps produce animals less likely to be aggressive. This is due to the fact that incubation temp controls the level of testosterone in their bodies. Males with low levels are almost always way less aggressive. These are dubbed "girlie" geckos. Now females produced at male incubation temperature (higher temp) are usually very aggressive due to HIGH levels of testosterone. These are dubbed "hot" females. They almost always are extremely aggressive.

That was simply a typo.

Again, I'd like to see evidence of your claim that they are communal. Just because it can be done, that doesn't mean it's natural for them or that it should be done.

~Maggot

[Aleks]

for leo.. when u get female at hi temperature.. They are call hot female.. And are likely to me more aggressive!

never experience this on male

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by Aleks

for leo.. when u get female at hi temperature.. They are call hot female.. And are likely to me more aggressive!

never experience this on male

If you're talking to me, I'm familiar with the term.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

If you're talking to me, I'm familiar with the term.

~Maggot

I think he might be drunk. His grammar has gotten pretty shoddy in these posts.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I think he might be drunk. His grammar has gotten pretty shoddy in these posts.

Ah, drunk posting. Something I still need to do.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

Ah, drunk posting. Something I still need to do.

~Maggot

It's always good for a laugh the next day.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

It's always good for a laugh the next day.

I'm never really home when I'm drunk though, so doubt it'll happen.

~Maggot