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12-10-12, 11:39 PM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Aaron_S
What? I dilute my Nix with water and spray everything. Bedding and snake included. I don't mist anything. It makes ZERO sense to bake/bleach everything and then use nix purely on just an enclosure. Nix will kill everything on all substrate/branches/hides/rocks...
Once done spraying. Place water bowl into enclosure. Fin.
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I'm talking specifically about the bedding spray in aerosol form. That can be toxic in liquid form, and needs to dry completely before adding bedding, hides, water, etc. The dried spray will leave a thin film in the enclosure which will continue to kill any hiding mites or unhatched eggs for a period of time after initial treatment. Read the instructions for using Provent-A-Mite (again, same 0.5% permethrin as lice bedding sprays), and as stated, DO NOT treat the snake directly. Makes perfect sense to me.
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12-10-12, 11:52 PM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner_20
I'm talking specifically about the bedding spray in aerosol form. That can be toxic in liquid form, and needs to dry completely before adding bedding, hides, water, etc. The dried spray will leave a thin film in the enclosure which will continue to kill any hiding mites or unhatched eggs for a period of time after initial treatment. Read the instructions for using Provent-A-Mite (again, same 0.5% permethrin as lice bedding sprays), and as stated, DO NOT treat the snake directly. Makes perfect sense to me.
RR_20 (Mike)
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I treated my king snake directly and he's not acting any different nor has any complications arisen. The place I go to even told me it'd be fine if I avoided the head.
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12-11-12, 12:03 AM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner_20
I'm talking specifically about the bedding spray in aerosol form. That can be toxic in liquid form, and needs to dry completely before adding bedding, hides, water, etc. The dried spray will leave a thin film in the enclosure which will continue to kill any hiding mites or unhatched eggs for a period of time after initial treatment. Read the instructions for using Provent-A-Mite (again, same 0.5% permethrin as lice bedding sprays), and as stated, DO NOT treat the snake directly. Makes perfect sense to me.
RR_20 (Mike)
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I don't use PAM. It tends to be worse with it's aerosol.
I prefer the wet spray of water/Nix. All is well with the snakes I Nix.
Every new snake gets Nixed. I know breeders who Nix before and after vending a show. It's fine.
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12-11-12, 12:13 AM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Aaron_S
I don't use PAM. It tends to be worse with it's aerosol.
I prefer the wet spray of water/Nix. All is well with the snakes I Nix.
Every new snake gets Nixed. I know breeders who Nix before and after vending a show. It's fine.
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That's what the shop I go to does as well and they go to all the conventions in California without having any infestations in their shop.
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12-11-12, 10:02 AM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Aaron_S
I don't use PAM. It tends to be worse with it's aerosol.
I prefer the wet spray of water/Nix. All is well with the snakes I Nix.
Every new snake gets Nixed. I know breeders who Nix before and after vending a show. It's fine.
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Think I might've asked you this before, what's your mix ratio for nix?
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12-11-12, 01:10 PM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Corey209
I treated my king snake directly and he's not acting any different nor has any complications arisen. The place I go to even told me it'd be fine if I avoided the head.
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if your talking about provent a mite...
read the can...its NOT intended for direct use on a snake...!!
do NOT spray it directly on the snake...
you run the risk of your snake showing neurological issues,even death,imo just because you got away with it once,does not mean it won't affect the longevity of the snake
provent a mite is the ONLY product i use...
no need to spray chemicals directly on snake
its designed for reptiles
remains active for 30 days,so is great for quarantine tanks for new arrivals
also theres NO need for repeat treatments,like most other mite methods require
re mites
The Life History of Snake Mites | Vida Preciosa International, Inc.
cheers shaun
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12-11-12, 08:38 PM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by shaunyboy
if your talking about provent a mite...
read the can...its NOT intended for direct use on a snake...!!
do NOT spray it directly on the snake...
you run the risk of your snake showing neurological issues,even death,imo just because you got away with it once,does not mean it won't affect the longevity of the snake
provent a mite is the ONLY product i use...
no need to spray chemicals directly on snake
its designed for reptiles
remains active for 30 days,so is great for quarantine tanks for new arrivals
also theres NO need for repeat treatments,like most other mite methods require
re mites
The Life History of Snake Mites | Vida Preciosa International, Inc.
cheers shaun |
Talking about permethrin or nix.
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12-11-12, 11:14 PM
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Re: Mites
permethrin is the active ingredient in PAM and NIX
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12-12-12, 05:30 AM
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Morelia Enjoyus Maximus
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Re: Mites
Also there are many isomers of premethrin and not all are safe. It's toxicto your snake as well. For the cost and knowing it's safe I would recomend sticking to the 2 best known treatments PAM and Nix. Plenty of writeups of how to use either. Their use differs due to the different delivery methods (aerosol vrs soapy water) . IMHO why risk trying something new when these work 100% and have proven to be safe with most herps.
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12-12-12, 07:08 PM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Terranaut
Also there are many isomers of premethrin and not all are safe. It's toxicto your snake as well. For the cost and knowing it's safe I would recomend sticking to the 2 best known treatments PAM and Nix. Plenty of writeups of how to use either. Their use differs due to the different delivery methods (aerosol vrs soapy water) . IMHO why risk trying something new when these work 100% and have proven to be safe with most herps.
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Premethrin is basically all of what nix is.
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12-13-12, 02:04 AM
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Village Idiot
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Corey209
Premethrin is basically all of what nix is.
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And so is Pam and rid.
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12-13-12, 02:14 AM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895
And so is Pam and rid.
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But pam has big price tag while permethrin itself is much cheaper
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12-13-12, 04:10 AM
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Morelia Enjoyus Maximus
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Corey209
Premethrin is basically all of what nix is.
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Basically but what your getting may not be the same isomer. Why chance it? Nix makes a gallon for about $10 and is known to be safe.
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12-13-12, 05:31 AM
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Village Idiot
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by Corey209
But pam has big price tag while permethrin itself is much cheaper
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If you are unwilling to pay for the proper product then get rid of the animal.
Nix is cheap and reliable. Rid exactly like Pam chemically and only cost about $6 a can.
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12-14-12, 12:30 AM
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Re: Mites
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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895
If you are unwilling to pay for the proper product then get rid of the animal.
Nix is cheap and reliable. Rid exactly like Pam chemically and only cost about $6 a can.
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Diluting the permethrin is the same exact thing as using nix or pam.
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