17ft Jampea Retic - Page 6

infernalis · 12-13-12, 10:46 PM

can we please stop including me in a conversation that I have intentionally stayed clear of. Thanks.....

KORBIN5895 · 12-13-12, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CMRetics

It's not a matter of you guys having opinions. It's a matter of having an opinion based on ignorance.

I know how much Wayne hates ignorance based on varanids. He can go on a forum and see 10 people talking about their bosc in a fish tank, and tell them how right they are and how it's their opinion. Fact is, those people are keeping it wrong, those people have probably never kept a bosc monitor over a year. They are ignorant.

The same is true of the above. Do you guys know these animals? Have you worked with them and interacted with them? If not- why act like you know anything about these animals or their actions? Yes anyone can openly buy a retic, but a lot of us make sure to educate the new owners- information is readily available that kids/new/inexperienced people should not put a snake around or near their neck.

I've kept retics for awhile now, I feel extremely comfortable picking up any of mine and using my shoulders/legs to lift, I doubt any of you are strong enough to just raw pick up my biggest female, does she ever "squeeze" sure, I guide her, I use my shoulders to support and not the neck, and I've never ONCE felt in danger handling a retic, because I've taken the time to understand them..

Kyle, Myself, Travis, Jake, we all have experience with these animals, and agree that a n00b should not do some of this stuff, but leave the rest of us alone and stop trying to call us stupid or downplay us, we know what we are doing, and are confident in our own safety.

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Originally Posted by CMRetics

I'm fairly certain if you want to look at statistics, more people are killed by captive big cats, dogs, horses than big snakes. I'm willing to bet more people are killed by pet spiders and hots as well.

Are there exceptions to the rule SURE, some keepers are so stupid that they don't properly condition the snake- for instance every time I work with my animals I tap them and rub their neck with a hook, paper towel roll, etc to kill feeding response. This lets them know I'm taking them out.

Now I'd be willing to bet the people killed by their big snakes had it happen from feeding responses. I don't think I've ever heard of a case where someone died from a big constrictor from suffocation at the neck ESPECIALLY when other people are present, which is included in all the pictures presented, 2+ able bodied experienced people. I'm not a hill-billy. I enjoy these big snakes, can I control them and what they do all the time? Nope, can a lot of people control a big dog if it really decides it wants to do something? Nope. Can you control a horse if it decides to be wild- nope.

Clearly that means we should all be restricted to owning the animals YOU see as safe. Has nothing to do with ego, it has to do with knowing our animals and understanding they aren't menaces who want to kill people.

As for the bosc monitor comment- actually, in the case of most monitors (other than boscs, which we have real data on what they eat) we have no real FACTS. I've been working with varanids for many years, and that still isn't a "fact" but people think they know what is best for them don't they?

I said I can't dead lift my snake, I openly said I can't pick her straight up. Learn to read before you bother attacking me.

Now then, mistakes can happen with any animal including your dog. You can't always control your dog, which means you aren't in control. It's going to end up in tragedy becuase you aren't in control of an animal (who still can at times, act on instinct).

The road goes 2 ways. People like you, and the image of retics as "horrible monsters" who can "accidentally kill you" at any moment are part of what is helping kill our passion. Give yourself a pat on the back for your ignorance.

Reputable breeders around the world who have done more for this industry and the reptile hobby as a whole than any of you can ever even fathom, but they are all stupid idiots.

Welcome back ********!

First off the bold is what I was referencing. I wasn't referring to your biggest female. I will openly admit that I have a hard time focusing and honestly what you posted was killing brain cells I can't afford to lose so I skimmed the stupid parts.... speaking of which maybe you should clarify raw dead lifting.

I actually always had control of my dog besides I highly doubt a shiz tsu could do much damage anyway.

Also I am seriously considering getting a retic from Bob Clark . So I guess while we are on the subject of ignorance I guess you are batting 0/2.

Here is a wise saying for you. If passion drives you let reason hold the reigns. Can you comprehend that or should I simplify it for you?

I will also say congratulations to all these reputable ( who ever the hell they are). Hopefully they are able to keep their reputation as some of the big names are starting to fail. I don't care if Christ himself had a 17ft jampea around his neck because if it was like picture two and three in the op then I would call him a stupid idiot also.

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Originally Posted by infernalis

can we please stop including me in a conversation that I have intentionally stayed clear of. Thanks.....

Tell that to the noob. He seems to think dropping your name gives him street cred here or something.

CMRetics · 12-13-12, 11:06 PM

LOL, You're looking at "getting a retic" from Bob Clark, that doesn't mean that you know anything about retics champ. The picture of Shane holding that big sunfire IS AT BOB'S FACILITY. I'm sure there are similar pictures of Bob working with big retics out there.

If my snake wanted to hurt me, it would, regardless of it was around my neck or not.

No your dog won't hurt you, a shitzu is just an overgrown rat in my opinion, and isn't even a real dog, just an annoying yappy mop with legs. I'm speaking on real dogs, why do you think that police dogs are so effective, because they are going to over-power your average person, just like my retic COULD.

Your ignorance is killing my brain cells. It's pretty funny that some no name ball python owners feel like they have a say in the retic world LOL

KORBIN5895 · 12-13-12, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CMRetics

LOL, You're looking at "getting a retic" from Bob Clark, that doesn't mean that you know anything about retics champ. The picture of Shane holding that big sunfire IS AT BOB'S FACILITY. I'm sure there are similar pictures of Bob working with big retics out there.

If my snake wanted to hurt me, it would, regardless of it was around my neck or not.

No your dog won't hurt you, a shitzu is just an overgrown rat in my opinion, and isn't even a real dog, just an annoying yappy mop with legs. I'm speaking on real dogs, why do you think that police dogs are so effective, because they are going to over-power your average person, just like my retic COULD.

Your ignorance is killing my brain cells. It's pretty funny that some no name ball python owners feel like they have a say in the retic world LOL

Lol. So explain this to me, ********. If I thought retics were evil monsters that would randomly kill me why would I even consider owning one?

As for Bob Clark don't know him from Adam but I have seen him posing like an idiot with a big snake wrapped around him while he was sitting. So yeah great point on where you were when the pics were taken.

Also how did you know I owned ball pythons!?!?!?!

Oh wait I don't..... You're just talking about stuff you don't know about again. Why don't you run along and go play with yourself or something?

CMRetics · 12-13-12, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Lol. So explain this to me, ********. If I thought retics were evil monsters that would randomly kill me why would I even consider owning one?

As for Bob Clark don't know him from Adam but I have seen him posing like an idiot with a big snake wrapped around him while he was sitting. So yeah great point on where you were when the pics were taken.

Also how did you know I owned ball pythons!?!?!?!

Oh wait I don't..... You're just talking about stuff you don't know about again. Why don't you run along and go play with yourself or something?

I'd be willing to gander a good amount of money that most reputable retic breeders would think you're a massive joke, you random nobody.

Good try attempting to insult and attack me, it's old. You're the one with the pet rat you claim is a dog and the idea that putting a retic on your shoulder is any less dangerous than any other method of moving it. Fact is, one day your retic will get big, it will crawl on your shoulder, and you won't be able to do anything about it. He will crawl right off, and won't do anything to you, and he'll do it over and over, and you'll realize that 15'+ animal is going to go where it wants, and doesn't care 1 bit about you, you're just a ladder to more exploration.

My biggest female is somewhere in the ballpark of 17-18 foot long, if she wants to climb up my body and over my shoulder, fine. Go youtube the video of shane interacting with the jampea in the picture. Watch people with experience in retics and understanding them/interacting with them struggle to contain that retic. You have NO idea what you're talking about if you think you as a rookie can do a better job of managing these animals than someone who's done it for years.

infernalis · 12-13-12, 11:31 PM

wow, this thread made the reptile report yesterday, what an image we must be putting out there when brand new people follow the link back to this thread for the very first time.......

CMRetics · 12-13-12, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

wow, this thread made the reptile report yesterday, what an image we must be putting out there when brand new people follow the link back to this thread for the very first time.......

The image of people who know nothing about retics and have no experience with them telling people with years and years of retic experience how to keep and handle their own snakes. Brilliant. I'm going to go tell nascar drivers how to drive properly next, because one time I broke 80 in a buick and handled some REALLY tight curves man.

JK Reptiles · 12-14-12, 02:37 AM

Im not gonna get into this pissing match this turned into but I will say this. Those of you that think its idiotic to hold large constrictors around your neck, thats completely fine. The way i see it, they are my animals, its my life, and im the one risking it in those certain peoples eyes so leave it be. Certain people in this thread keep saying thats the reason "our" hobby is in jeopardy, well those people are narrow minded as hell. If you guys think its going to stop with large constrictors you guys are blind. Its gonna turn into your ball pythons, carpets, sand boas prettty much all exotics. Then when those people dont have the large constrictor guys and everyone else on their side they are going to ask what happened.

CMRetics · 12-14-12, 02:47 AM

I would also like to ad, that large constrictors are the first things next to venomous to likely get limitations put on them. Those of that keep these animals have to fight day in and day out to kill the horrible reputation our snakes have, we have to fight for our ability to keep these animals a hell of a lot more than most snake keepers do.

Once they start to ban things, and they get momentum rolling, it's only a matter of time before everything is stripped away...

Some of us have dedicated am immense amount of time and energy into these awesome and powerful animals, and putting them in a good light, the last thing we need is to be attacked and insulted by the very hobby we are on the front lines trying to protect.

JK Reptiles · 12-14-12, 02:49 AM

Exactly, when other keepers of various species knock us as large snake keepers it truly leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the whole hobby.

Terranaut · 12-14-12, 05:37 AM

Yet another thread gone from the same debate. This is why I have asked a couple members via pm to just post a link to the "snakes around the neck thread" that way we can all just enjoy the pics of these amazing snakes. In every pic I have seen all I could think was "wow nice snake-ah crap someone is going to complain about it being around someines neck"
The debate is over. Its pointless to continue it yet again. Feel how you feel.
Please for the love if god just post more pictures of these awesome retics.

reptileexperts · 12-14-12, 08:07 AM

Shane VS Monster Jamp - YouTube

Not sure if someone posted but here is a video of it. Let's keep it on topic since it's being publically recognized and we need to put forward a helpful community and not one that badgers at every single point of potential argument.

**millertime89** · 12-15-12, 01:23 PM

Wayne if you really cared about forum image you would have split this thread off a while ago. I can't believe that the ignorance displayed here actually got 3 different people with extensive big snake experience to sign up.

Terranaut · 12-15-12, 01:50 PM

I for one am glad they have. The biggest snake I have at this point is a 7.5ft sunglow boa. I have considered a burm but am not sure I am ready to house and care for one at this point. After watching some of the videos I linked to through this thread I am considering a retic. I for one thank all of the on topic posters in this thread and hope they post more info. Threads about proper care and handling help us out. Whining over endlessly debated issues does not. I hope the haters will keep to the appropriate thread and leave the rest of them alone.

CMRetics · 12-15-12, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Wayne if you really cared about forum image you would have split this thread off a while ago. I can't believe that the ignorance displayed here actually got 3 different people with extensive big snake experience to sign up.

This^

Why certain members are allowed to attack/name call people is beyond me, and why anyone is even allowing such ignorance to prosper here is baffling. If you want a good forum image the first thing you should avoid is allowing insults/name calling of some of the biggest names in the big snake community.

I can speak for several people when I say it's left an extremely bad taste in our mouth.