2 corns in one viv?

[Wyldrose]

Here's a collection of pics of snakes eating others
Can I Keep Multiple Snakes in One Enclosure? | squamishserpents.ca

[beardeds4life]

In the wild they do in fact live in large colonies in rock caves and stuff. And in captivity in the tiny cages that people use you can not ever have 2 males together. But in the wild the dominant males offspring will continue to live their and they get along fine with the dominant male even as adults. Take for example Patrick Huddleson's experiment. He setup a very large naturalistic vivarium that was basically a small ecosystem that very well replicated their natural environment. At times their was a number of adult males living together and commonly sharing hides etc. I will try to dig up some info on this. When you say now two males should ever be housed together I agree with you except for the rare exception that you have a naturalistic vivarium and the males are born and raised in the viv with their father. Most of the time what you said is totally true because almost no one keeps their animals in large enclosures.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I had not heard of this experiment, but it's been proven that leos incubated at higher temps are less likely to be aggressive (ScienceDirect.com - Physiology & Behavior - Incubation temperature affects the behavior of adult leopard geckos (Eublepharis macularius)), so that would skew the results.

But I'd like to see some support to the claim that they live in colonies in the wild. I'd also like to see some evidence of the suggestion that the fact that these geckos were related made them more likely to get along.

I also find it very suspicious that none of these leos received any injuries (the only way he could know that is if he checked every leo every day). For this to really prove that this is a 100% effective method, all geckos would need to be checked every single day for any signs of injuries, they would need to be nearly constantly monitored to check for signs of aggression, and they would all need to be weighed and growth rates monitored, among other things. It's a nice anecdote, but proving that it can work (though it states that three males was too many, so it doesn't really seem all that revolutionary) isn't the same as proving it's natural for them and that they should be kept that way.

~Maggot

[beardeds4life]

I do not see any point in carrying this on because it is bound to get unfriendly.

But no one ever suggested that the fact that they are related made them get along. That could not be farther from the truth. It has been scientifically proven that the deep limbic system in all reptiles is extremely undeveloped. This is the part of the brain that control emotions. Reptiles can not feel love or family ties or anything of that matter.

Also male leopard geckos incubated at LOWER temps produce animals less likely to be aggressive. This is due to the fact that incubation temp controls the level of testosterone in their bodies. Males with low levels are almost always way less aggressive. These are dubbed "girlie" geckos. Now females produced at male incubation temperature (higher temp) are usually very aggressive due to HIGH levels of testosterone. These are dubbed "hot" females. They almost always are extremely aggressive.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

I do not see any point in carrying this on because it is bound to get unfriendly.

...Why start the post with that and then proceed to carry it on?

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

But no one ever suggested that the fact that they are related made them get along. That could not be farther from the truth. It has been scientifically proven that the deep limbic system in all reptiles is extremely undeveloped. This is the part of the brain that control emotions. Reptiles can not feel love or family ties or anything of that matter.

"When you say now two males should ever be housed together I agree with you except for the rare exception that you have a naturalistic vivarium and the males are born and raised in the viv with their father."

Originally Posted by beardeds4life

Also male leopard geckos incubated at LOWER temps produce animals less likely to be aggressive. This is due to the fact that incubation temp controls the level of testosterone in their bodies. Males with low levels are almost always way less aggressive. These are dubbed "girlie" geckos. Now females produced at male incubation temperature (higher temp) are usually very aggressive due to HIGH levels of testosterone. These are dubbed "hot" females. They almost always are extremely aggressive.

That was simply a typo.

Again, I'd like to see evidence of your claim that they are communal. Just because it can be done, that doesn't mean it's natural for them or that it should be done.

~Maggot

[Aleks]

And yes all of u u can keep 2 corns together and maybe never get any problems... the day that u will u will understand why I don't tell people to do so! and at the price I pay my corns.. I will never take the chance...

(waiting on korbin I know everything comment... cant wait to see it!)

[Aleks]

and by the way... I never talked about corn eating them self loll (even if possible that wasn't my point!)

[Aleks]

for leo.. when u get female at hi temperature.. They are call hot female.. And are likely to me more aggressive!

never experience this on male

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by Aleks

for leo.. when u get female at hi temperature.. They are call hot female.. And are likely to me more aggressive!

never experience this on male

If you're talking to me, I'm familiar with the term.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

If you're talking to me, I'm familiar with the term.

~Maggot

I think he might be drunk. His grammar has gotten pretty shoddy in these posts.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I think he might be drunk. His grammar has gotten pretty shoddy in these posts.

Ah, drunk posting. Something I still need to do.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity

Ah, drunk posting. Something I still need to do.

~Maggot

It's always good for a laugh the next day.