Hognose terrarium size preferences

[reptileexperts]

Originally Posted by Gregg M

If you have nothing to add, you should really keep from posting in this thread. This is about captive care of hognose snakes.



Again, this is not true for Westerns. They are not exactly the shy and elusive species you are claiming it to be. I know when I open my rack draws, I rearely see one burrowed or in a hide. Ones that I have in more natural set ups rarely hide.

In captivity, they are bold and rarely hide away. Like I said, when kept PROPERLY, you will very rearely see them hidden away. Now, if we were talking about wild caught Easterns that you claimed to work with for 13 years, I would tent to agree with you.



That same old story? Why is it always "I need to find the pics" when you ask someone for proof of their claims? You do not have a picture of atleast one Eastern? Come on dude. You have been working with them "for the better part of 13 years".
So which better part of 13 years did you keep them? How old can your photos be that you cant find them? I can find pics of animals I had 10 years ago without a problem. How many have you owned? Did you ever breed them? Why are you not keeping them anymore? No need to PM me. This is a Heterodon forum. Easterns are Heterodon so you can make your own Eastern hognose thread in this forum.



The point I am making is that what I am saying is something that is seen by many other keepers and breeders, including myself. What you are saying is going against what everyone else has seen. The reason is, you are working with 1 animal for a good amount of time and 4 animals for less than a year.

This is getting out of hand Greg, I'm done responding to this and the OP can PM me at this point. I got my first digital camera when I was probably 16 - and even then my access to getting shots uploaded was few and far between. Same old story or not, you have been more than insulting to myself, and none the less not helpful to the topic by trying to say Yours is THE ONLY WAY. I have a pretty significant hog breeder about 20 minutes from my home, where I picked mine up from - his adults will come out when you open a tub, but when left alone they are generally just chilling under substrate until interacted with. . . But I am not going to argue with a wall here. Again, signing off since I dont meet you expectations of advice.

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by knox

Why is it that a snake can be "in" an enclosure the size of the globe and be just fine, but when we take them as pets we have to confine them to a small enclosure?

Well in the wilds, they are not wandering the globe. They are in their own micro habitat. Why hognose stress in larger cages? I do not know why. All I know is they can and do in many cases. Like I said before, this is especially true for young animals.

Originally Posted by knox

I have always had success with large enclosures and providing ample hiding spots and cover.

What species? There are many species that are fine in larger cages. Again, this is about hognose snaks in particular.

Originally Posted by reptileexperts

This is getting out of hand Greg, I'm done responding to this and the OP can PM me at this point. I got my first digital camera when I was probably 16 - and even then my access to getting shots uploaded was few and far between. Same old story or not, you have been more than insulting to myself, and none the less not helpful to the topic by trying to say Yours is THE ONLY WAY. I have a pretty significant hog breeder about 20 minutes from my home, where I picked mine up from - his adults will come out when you open a tub, but when left alone they are generally just chilling under substrate until interacted with. . . But I am not going to argue with a wall here. Again, signing off since I dont meet you expectations of advice.

This is not out of hand. It may seem that way to you because you are having trouble proving your claim.

I can care less who your significant hog breeder is. That is not important. You are not seeing a large collection every day. YOU are not interacting with them on a daily basis. Your hog breeder is and so am I.

You should really be sitting back and absorbing information instead of giving advice on a subject you are not experienced in. Giving your opinion is great but presenting that opinion as fact is detrimental especially when your opinion is flawed.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by reptileexperts

This is getting out of hand Greg, I'm done responding to this and the OP can PM me at this point. I got my first digital camera when I was probably 16 - and even then my access to getting shots uploaded was few and far between. Same old story or not, you have been more than insulting to myself, and none the less not helpful to the topic by trying to say Yours is THE ONLY WAY. I have a pretty significant hog breeder about 20 minutes from my home, where I picked mine up from - his adults will come out when you open a tub, but when left alone they are generally just chilling under substrate until interacted with. . . But I am not going to argue with a wall here. Again, signing off since I dont meet you expectations of advice.

I love how often this happens - person A makes lots of claims, person B refutes these claims with experience and asks for clarification from person A. Person A then claims to be being harassed or bullied or that it is an argument out of control, refuses/fails to provide any evidence or experience to back up their claim and then goes off in a huff!!

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I love how often this happens - person A makes lots of claims, person B refutes these claims with experience and asks for clarification from person A. Person A then claims to be being harassed or bullied or that it is an argument out of control, refuses/fails to provide any evidence or experience to back up their claim and then goes off in a huff!!

Happens all the time Rob. Nothing you can do but weed out the bad information.