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Trollbie · 09-03-12, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

I'm curious what superior behavioral cues a snake will give you that a canine does not.

Dogs have some capacity of facial expression, which includes muscle movements of the lips, brow, ears, etc. not to mention their hair may stand on end and any sounds they may make, in addition to body posture.

In comparison, a snake has...only body posture?

I can tell you from experience that unless the snake is completely straightened out in a perfect line with no curves, it is capable of biting/striking. It doesn't have to be "hissing" or coiled up in a perfect S-position with the head and neck raised off the ground in order to strike at something. So I don't know what "body language" you think has to take place in order to feel good about the situation, but I assure, the snake doesn't have to offer it. Its practically like saying all rattlesnakes rattle when approached. Its hogwash.

The snake just never strikes. She doesn't strike at me, she doesn't strike at her prey, and she does not strike when she's startled. She's also not interested in food when someone is around her cage or when she's out of her cage. And she showed absolutely no interest in the gecko any of the times they "met"... As far as body language, she rattles her tail or tenses up. She was just being her curious self around the gecko.

My mom's dog, on ther other hand, holds still and acts like nothing is wrong and then suddenly she snaps out of nowhere. She doesn't growl or show her teeth or anything. No warning at all.

Trollbie · 09-03-12, 08:02 PM

But I admit, I can't read my boa as well and therefore I would not trust her near the gecko.

alessia55 · 09-03-12, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollbie

My mom's dog, on ther other hand, holds still and acts like nothing is wrong and then suddenly she snaps out of nowhere. She doesn't growl or show her teeth or anything. No warning at all.

Correction: you just don't know how to read those warning signs. There is always a warning; it's not always the typical growl/showing of teeth before a bite.

Trollbie · 09-03-12, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alessia55

Correction: you just don't know how to read those warning signs. There is always a warning; it's not always the typical growl/showing of teeth before a bite.

You need to meet this dog. She gives me and my parents warnings. She does not give strangers warnings.

alessia55 · 09-03-12, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollbie

You need to meet this dog. She gives me and my parents warnings. She does not give strangers warnings.

Take a video and send it to me. I'm curious.

Trollbie · 09-03-12, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alessia55

Take a video and send it to me. I'm curious.

Sure, next time I drive up to their house.

Eddie · 09-03-12, 09:18 PM

Asome pic

StudentoReptile · 09-04-12, 07:53 AM

Well, I have nothing else to contribute to this thread other than this. I will admit that the ramifications of this actions are not that dire. After all, the very worst that could happen is that one day, your snake will have a very expensive meal, and you will be down one pet gecko. Your house, your animals; if you're okay with the risk of that scenario taking place, then so be it. Its not as if you are parading down at the local mall with a python around your neck, or dumping non-native herps in the ecosystems of your surrounding areas.

There's always a "first time" for everything.

Bottom line: you can never 100% predict what any animal will do at any given time, whether its a snake, dog, horse, bird, etc. All it takes is one second. So you can continue taking photos of your animals as your wish; obviously, no one can stop you. But don't delude yourself into believing you are in control of the situation...because quite simply, you are not.

exwizard · 09-04-12, 08:08 AM

Ok I admit to being a bit conflicted. I really want see this dead horse buried once and for all. What to do. We all know your opinion and it's a reasonable one. Now that you've stated it can you please let this go? We really need to move on to something productive.

Trollbie · 09-04-12, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Well, I have nothing else to contribute to this thread other than this. I will admit that the ramifications of this actions are not that dire. After all, the very worst that could happen is that one day, your snake will have a very expensive meal, and you will be down one pet gecko. Your house, your animals; if you're okay with the risk of that scenario taking place, then so be it. Its not as if you are parading down at the local mall with a python around your neck, or dumping non-native herps in the ecosystems of your surrounding areas.

There's always a "first time" for everything.

Bottom line: you can never 100% predict what any animal will do at any given time, whether its a snake, dog, horse, bird, etc. All it takes is one second. So you can continue taking photos of your animals as your wish; obviously, no one can stop you. But don't delude yourself into believing you are in control of the situation...because quite simply, you are not.

I know I'm not in control. And like you said, you can never fully predict what any animal will do. But I don't see any one getting lectured on taking a picture of their dog and cat.

But I'm not encouraging anyone to do this and I'm not claiming that's it's okay to do this. To me this is kind of like when someone tries to tell me that feeding pre-killed is bad for my snakes or that I shouldn use newspaper or that fake grass carpet thing instead of aspen bedding for my milksnake that loves bury herself. What works for some people and their pets may not work for others.

And it's not like my pets all hang out together all the time. I took this picture when my boyfriend came home for the weekend from Army AIT. So this was a special occasion since my babies were meeting their "daddy" for the first time. The times my pets were in contact with each other was when each animal was held by a different person...

I get what everyone is saying... And I knew it before I even posted this thread. I don't mind that it was pointed out because I do agree that newbies should be aware of the consequences. I don't think I did anything wrong, but if anything bad happens, I'll gladly own up to my mistakes...

Trollbie · 09-04-12, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

Ok I admit to being a bit conflicted. I really want see this dead horse buried once and for all. What to do. We all know your opinion and it's a reasonable one. Now that you've stated it can you please let this go? We really need to move on to something productive.

I'm not sure if this is directed at me or someone else, but I agree either way. I thought this thread was done yeaterday

exwizard · 09-04-12, 02:50 PM

I directed it to the Reptile Student. I'm really sorry you had to be subjected to all of this continued abuse Trollbie. You're right. This should've all been done and over with yesterday.

Lankyrob · 09-04-12, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollbie

I know I'm not in control. And like you said, you can never fully predict what any animal will do. But I don't see any one getting lectured on taking a picture of their dog and cat.

But I'm not encouraging anyone to do this and I'm not claiming that's it's okay to do this. To me this is kind of like when someone tries to tell me that feeding pre-killed is bad for my snakes or that I shouldn use newspaper or that fake grass carpet thing instead of aspen bedding for my milksnake that loves bury herself. What works for some people and their pets may not work for others.

And it's not like my pets all hang out together all the time. I took this picture when my boyfriend came home for the weekend from Army AIT. So this was a special occasion since my babies were meeting their "daddy" for the first time. The times my pets were in contact with each other was when each animal was held by a different person...

I get what everyone is saying... And I knew it before I even posted this thread. I don't mind that it was pointed out because I do agree that newbies should be aware of the consequences. I don't think I did anything wrong, but if anything bad happens, I'll gladly own up to my mistakes...

Comparing Putting two undomesticated animals together with having two domesticated animals together is ridiculous. Whilst we all know dogs that hate cats and cats that hate dogs they have lived together for hundreds of years and are both tame creatures, nothing like reptiles in any way.

exwizard · 09-04-12, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Comparing Putting two undomesticated animals together with having two domesticated animals together is ridiculous. Whilst we all know dogs that hate cats and cats that hate dogs they have lived together for hundreds of years and are both tame creatures, nothing like reptiles in any way.

Trollbie, as long as you continue to try to explain yourself to people who won't listen, you will continue to be subjected to more condemnation and abuse. It's sad but true. Just a heads up. That's all.

Trollbie · 09-04-12, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Comparing Putting two undomesticated animals together with having two domesticated animals together is ridiculous. Whilst we all know dogs that hate cats and cats that hate dogs they have lived together for hundreds of years and are both tame creatures, nothing like reptiles in any way.

Perhaps. Until something happens...

My friend has 2 dogs who got along great for years. Until the bigger one almost killed the small one by biting it and causing it major brain damage...