Monitor enclosure discussion thread

Lankyrob · 07-10-12, 06:28 AM

Unfortunately in my opinion it wont get you point across, all it does it makes it seem like you have personal issues with someone and that clouds everything that you are saying.

Just stick to either facts and/or your experiences and let people make their own minds up who to listen too without the accusations and pettiness. If you are correct (and i believe you are) then that will speak for itself.

infernalis · 07-10-12, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Unfortunately in my opinion it wont get you point across, all it does it makes it seem like you have personal issues with someone and that clouds everything that you are saying.

Just stick to either facts and/or your experiences and let people make their own minds up who to listen too without the accusations and pettiness. If you are correct (and i believe you are) then that will speak for itself.

On this particular subject Rob, I simply cannot allow "his" misinformation to propagate at ssnakess...

I care way too much for these lizards to permit one snippet of that garbage to make it to the members here who are trying to get things right.

KORBIN5895 · 07-10-12, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

On this particular subject Rob, I simply cannot allow "his" misinformation to propagate at ssnakess...

I care way too much for these lizards to permit one snippet of that garbage to make it to the members here who are trying to get things right.

Please point out this garbage Wayne because I misses it. Also it's not that we feel his garbage should be allowed but those are quite the lengthy post against Moe just to refute a some garbage.

StudentoReptile · 07-10-12, 07:34 AM

I personally do not have a dog in this fight, other than a general care for the well-being of the animals (in this case, monitors). I have this thread, and others, as well as a handful on Varanus.net. Here my thoughts:

There is a difference between bashing misinformation and inaccurate advice, and bashing the actual individual who is guilty of such. I admit, the line separating the two can be blurred, but there is a distinction. The way I see it is that Wayne, Crocdoc, and others are very passionate about monitors, and as well as the best possible ways to care for and propagate them in captivity. Likewise, as passionate, avid varanid enthusiasts, they take offense to the spread of any misinformation that detracts from this goal.

Looking at some of the statements the "unnamed" has made on several sites, and his own track record, I can conclude he quite simply, does not know as much as he (and many others) thinks he does. Consequently, I do not view him as a reliable source of information regarding monitors. My stance is nothing personal, but just based on his own experience. The evidence has been cited throughout this thread and others, so I won't recant it. In short, it is not much different than a random stranger coming into the LPS that I used to work at, and claims he is an expert on monitors because he has kept many over the years. Yet he keeps returning to purchase another because his keep dying. Yeah, it is a truthful statement that he has kept a lot of monitors over a certain period of time, and using the term "experienced" is debatable, but based on his track record, would anyone consider this person to be a reliable source for learning how to properly care for monitors successfully? The only difference between this hypothetical example and "unnamed" is that UN has been doing it for quite a while, and has developed a name for himself.

In my opinion, the only people who are making this personal are the dedicated followers. It is not Wayne's or Crocdoc's fault that most of the misinformation in question is coming from a singular source, and that source just happens to be a well-known individual in the hobby. I'm a moderator on another forum, and if I know someone is spreading misinformation about anything, I will call them out on it. Again, nothing personal, but it behooves the person to be corrected and benefits anyone listening to be provided with the most accurate, factual information there is. On the forum I moderate, we don't tolerate false information either. So I stand behind Wayne's position on this matter.