The one and ONLY python BAN thread (HR511)

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by GarterPython

Was it because of the insident with *cough* mykee *cough*

It's rather sad how this "mykee" character is put on such a high pedestal on the internet, considering his/her information is no more "valuable" than anyone elses here on the internet. Miller should just change IP make new account who cares.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

It's rather sad how this "mykee" character is put on such a high pedestal on the internet, considering his/her information is no more "valuable" than anyone elses here on the internet. Miller should just change IP make new account who cares.

wayne would and so would anyone who upholds the rules of the forum, suggesting someone breaches their ban is rather silly.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

It's rather sad how this "mykee" character is put on such a high pedestal on the internet, considering his/her information is no more "valuable" than anyone elses here on the internet. Miller should just change IP make new account who cares.

^^^^^
i definatly do NOT have mykee up on a high pedestel,but.....

i do VALUE his " years " of hands on experience

to say that EVERYONE'S INFORMATION on the internet,has the SAME VALUE, imo is WRONG mate

how can say someone who has kept 1 or 2 snakes for a year or 2,have the same information value,as somone who has kept over 100 snakes for say 10 or 15 years.( i mean no disrespect to people with 1 or 2 snakes,or short term keepers )

everyones information on the intenet is NOT equal,some have MORE value,than others

you just need to read the advice given out to see that


re example of why all information, is NOT OF EQUAL VALUE.....
vvvvv

as a mite cure,on another forum a guy was told,to keep his jungle carpet in a tub of oil,with the lid sealed for over 3 weeks.....

the jungle ended up with bad water blisters...

i walked the owner step by step,through treatment for water blisters,and it took us over 6 weeks,to sort out the blisters and get the snake back to full health

i'm not looking for a fight,but to say all info on the net is equal,is just wrong

cheers shaun

P.S.i know nothing about why Kyle got banned,so i'm afraid i cannot comment on that

cheers shaun

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

^^^^^
i definatly do NOT have mykee up on a high pedestel,but.....

i do VALUE his " years " of hands on experience

to say that EVERYONE'S INFORMATION on the internet,has the SAME VALUE, imo is WRONG mate

how can say someone who has kept 1 or 2 snakes for a year or 2,have the same information value,as somone who has kept over 100 snakes for say 10 or 15 years.( i mean no disrespect to people with 1 or 2 snakes,or short term keepers )

everyones information on the intenet is NOT equal,some have MORE value,than others

you just need to read the advice given out to see that


re example of why all information, is NOT OF EQUAL VALUE.....
vvvvv

as a mite cure,on another forum a guy was told,to keep his jungle carpet in a tub of oil,with the lid sealed for over 3 weeks.....

the jungle ended up with bad water blisters...

i walked the owner step by step,through treatment for water blisters,and it took us over 6 weeks,to sort out the blisters and get the snake back to full health

i'm not looking for a fight,but to say all info on the net is equal,is just wrong

cheers shaun

P.S.i know nothing about why Kyle got banned,so i'm afraid i cannot comment on that

cheers shaun

Because it has different value to different people. See you value his ball python experience. To me? He's just another ball python breeder on the internet. I value a guy with a single snake, who successfully keeps lets say- a gaboon viper. He keeps something a little more obscure, something worth reading about, to me, his information is more valuable. I value crocdoc's opinion and information, more than mykee's. Multiple people view the info, and evaluate it differently.

As I said, all I see is another know it all ball python breeder. He's got a huge ego and thinks his way is the only way of doing things- LOL. Lets be real, keeping ball pythons and breeding ball pythons can successfully be accomplished by a 6 year old. Not trying to downplay him, but the fact so many people worship him for breeding a beginner level snake is silly.

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

Because it has different value to different people. See you value his ball python experience. To me? He's just another ball python breeder on the internet. I value a guy with a single snake, who successfully keeps lets say- a gaboon viper. He keeps something a little more obscure, something worth reading about, to me, his information is more valuable. I value crocdoc's opinion and information, more than mykee's. Multiple people view the info, and evaluate it differently.

As I said, all I see is another know it all ball python breeder. He's got a huge ego and thinks his way is the only way of doing things- LOL. Lets be real, keeping ball pythons and breeding ball pythons can successfully be accomplished by a 6 year old. Not trying to downplay him, but the fact so many people worship him for breeding a beginner level snake is silly.

I haven't really been paying much attention to all of this, mainly because I haven't been here that long, and more importantly, I do not care. But as a long-standing member and moderator of another forum, and certainly no stranger to herp forums in general, I'll put in my $.02.

Before I say anything else, I don't really know any of the parties involved, or all of the threads that feature the hooplah that apparently started this fracas. Don't really care, so the following shouldn't be taken too personally.

On a personal level, I generally agree with the above. Ball pythons are a dime a dozen: they are easy to keep and breed, so consequently, ball python breeders are a dime a dozen as well. Likewise, care information for ball pythons is EVERYWHERE. The forum isn't going to suffer if it loses a BP expert. It'll survive.

In a more professional sense, speaking as a moderator from another site mostly, I can say that there are definitely times when it is nice to receive information/advice that is blunt and to the point. There are many of us who tell it like it is, and likewise, prefer to receive info in that manner. There's nothing wrong with being blunt. But there is a line between being blunt and shooting straight from the hip...and being downright rude and antagonistic. I know some point some of us feel we've been doing this long enough that we feel earned the right to be a little bit of an arse every so often, but its not excuse to cause unnecessary strife. Personally, I don't care how knowledgeable and helpful at times a person can be; if they are continually ridiculing other members and belittling them, and the delicate balance of what they are bringing to the forum is tipped to far into the negative, then something needs to change. I mean I like a good steak, but I don't want to be slapped in the face with one. You have to determine how you can best help the people you are giving advice to. Sometimes the line is a little blurry. But in the end, you have to decide whether what you're posting is a positive contribution or a negative one. Are you turning people away or genuinely trying to help them?

[exwizard]

Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

I haven't really been paying much attention to all of this, mainly because I haven't been here that long, and more importantly, I do not care. But as a long-standing member and moderator of another forum, and certainly no stranger to herp forums in general, I'll put in my $.02.

Before I say anything else, I don't really know any of the parties involved, or all of the threads that feature the hooplah that apparently started this fracas. Don't really care, so the following shouldn't be taken too personally.

On a personal level, I generally agree with the above. Ball pythons are a dime a dozen: they are easy to keep and breed, so consequently, ball python breeders are a dime a dozen as well. Likewise, care information for ball pythons is EVERYWHERE. The forum isn't going to suffer if it loses a BP expert. It'll survive.

In a more professional sense, speaking as a moderator from another site mostly, I can say that there are definitely times when it is nice to receive information/advice that is iblunt and to the point. There are many of us who tell it like it is, and likewise, prefer to receive info in that manner. There's nothing wrong with being blunt. But there is a line between being blunt and shooting straight from the hip...and being downright rude and antagonistic. I know some point some of us feel we've been doing this long enough that we feel earned the right to be a little bit of an arse every so often, but its not excuse to cause unnecessary strife. Personally, I don't care how knowledgeable and helpful at times a person can be; if they are continually ridiculing other members and belittling them, and the delicate balance of what they are bringing to the forum is tipped to far into the negative, then something needs to change. I mean I like a good steak, but I don't want to be slapped in the face with one. You have to determine how you can best help the people you are giving advice to. Sometimes the line is a little blurry. But in the end, you have to decide whether what you're posting is a positive contribution or a negative one. Are you turning people away or genuinely trying to help them?

Hear hear!