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03-22-12, 09:23 AM
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Custos serpentium
Join Date: Oct-2011
Location: Ottawa
Age: 58
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Re: I hate this..
Unfortunately, it's all too easy to be a terrible keeper these days. The current attitude towards herps these days is downright disgraceful, on the whole. There are very few truly dedicated and knowledgable keepers out there, and those who don't fall into that category are spreading their "knowledge" around so fast that it's impossible to stop.
I've met *so* many people who think they're experts in this or that aspect of herpetoculture, yet as far as I'm concerned, they're know-nothing know-it-alls. I've seen it more times than I can count.
A prime example are a few folks in my area who've attached themselves to a local reptile 'rescue', which is actually a horror show in disguise, yet everyone who works there thinks that parasites, disease, minimalistic husbandry and frequently losing animals is all part of everyday life with reptiles. They'll say "I'm a professional. I have X years experience", but if you ask them how many animals have died under their care, the truth of the matter becomes painfully obvious and it's like they don't seem to learn anything from it all. It's all just a matter of routine to them.
There is certainly no shortage of quality information out there for anyone with the desire to learn it, but most simply can't be bothered because to them these animals are so readily available that they'll just go out and get another to replace the one that died. It's far too easy to do when you consider living animals to be disposable items that can be picked-up just about anywhere.
I've turned-down many calls for help from people who I know are repeat offenders, and as much as it pains me to see their animals suffer and inevitably die due to their steadfast unwillingness to learn and change their practices, I simply will not take their animal in, fix it and return it only for them to repeat the exact same foolishness. It's a tough call to make, but for these repeat offenders, if I help them, they simply don't learn anything.
I could ramble-on about this for days and cite many cases-in-point, but it's futile because it won't change anything, so these days I keep my blinders on and *only* focus on those deserving of my attention. If someone is willing to learn, I'm there for them if they need me, but the rest of them will just get kicked to the curb. I'm at the point in my herp life that I have a zero tolerance policy for idiots, which explains my increasingly large ignore list.
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03-22-12, 11:22 AM
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Join Date: Sep-2011
Location: Toronto
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Re: I hate this..
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Originally Posted by CDN_Blood
Unfortunately, it's all too easy to be a terrible keeper these days. The current attitude towards herps these days is downright disgraceful, on the whole. There are very few truly dedicated and knowledgable keepers out there, and those who don't fall into that category are spreading their "knowledge" around so fast that it's impossible to stop.
I've met *so* many people who think they're experts in this or that aspect of herpetoculture, yet as far as I'm concerned, they're know-nothing know-it-alls. I've seen it more times than I can count.
A prime example are a few folks in my area who've attached themselves to a local reptile 'rescue', which is actually a horror show in disguise, yet everyone who works there thinks that parasites, disease, minimalistic husbandry and frequently losing animals is all part of everyday life with reptiles. They'll say "I'm a professional. I have X years experience", but if you ask them how many animals have died under their care, the truth of the matter becomes painfully obvious and it's like they don't seem to learn anything from it all. It's all just a matter of routine to them.
There is certainly no shortage of quality information out there for anyone with the desire to learn it, but most simply can't be bothered because to them these animals are so readily available that they'll just go out and get another to replace the one that died. It's far too easy to do when you consider living animals to be disposable items that can be picked-up just about anywhere.
I've turned-down many calls for help from people who I know are repeat offenders, and as much as it pains me to see their animals suffer and inevitably die due to their steadfast unwillingness to learn and change their practices, I simply will not take their animal in, fix it and return it only for them to repeat the exact same foolishness. It's a tough call to make, but for these repeat offenders, if I help them, they simply don't learn anything.
I could ramble-on about this for days and cite many cases-in-point, but it's futile because it won't change anything, so these days I keep my blinders on and *only* focus on those deserving of my attention. If someone is willing to learn, I'm there for them if they need me, but the rest of them will just get kicked to the curb. I'm at the point in my herp life that I have a zero tolerance policy for idiots, which explains my increasingly large ignore list.
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Damn you bring up some great points and I couldnt have said it any better myself.
Wayne, I think the problem is bigger than just sav's. Reptiles just arent cute and cuddly and I guess most people just dont give the same respect to their reptile friends as they would a furry friend. It sucks. Even most of the reptile owners that I know personally in Toronto, most of them would call themselves "experienced" but I know for a fact that they still neglect their snakes or reptiles in many ways. Its also much easier to neglect a cold-blooded animal which generally have lots more husbandry needs than a cat or dog ever would. When I first read about ball pythons, I read on so many websites: "Ball pythons are very low maintenance pets, great for beginners!" Its true that ball pythons might be easy for someone who is actually experienced with reptiles, but for a beginner with the expectation that the snake will be easy to care for, once it becomes ~NOT~ easy to care for then the owners 90% of the time wont do anything to remedy the situation. I have a friend who has let countless reptiles and snakes die in his care- chinese water dragon, boas, tegus, savannah monitors and a bunch of corn snakes.. It pains me that I cant change the way he thinks.
Another thing that really bothers me is that if a dog or cat is being treated inhumanely, the owner can be reported and something would be done about it. But if a reptile is being mistreated, I have yet to see an organization who is willing to jump in and help out. People dont seem to be sympathetic towards reptiles, for some reason or another.
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