Boas are in the ban crosshairs

red ink · 02-29-12, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skumbo

No. but it will make selling them across state borders illegal, as well as shipping across borders illegal, which cuts off a ton of customers for a ton of people. This also means any expo you go to has to be from people within your state with these snakes, nobody will be bringing any of these cross border for expos because that's illegal as well.

Honestly, from a pet owners perspective, and not a breeders perspective (though this may hamper my dreams to one day breed BRB's if they keep adding snakes) its not that bad. nobody is going to check all your luggage when you move, and you can easily claim, in the extremely rare chance someone wanted to "get you" for importing a snake into a state, that you purchased the snake within the state, as it isn't even close to illegal to breed any of these snakes, you just cant bring them to other states.

this is actually the same "ban" proposed before, just with more snakes on it (it originally had all these, it was moved down to 3 (i believe, maybe 4?) and that was a "victory" then it was brought back at this on short notice with the full original "9")

If that was the case then....

Mate I would say that this "ban" is a non-event. All it's restricting is movement of animals not making the animals themselves "illegal".

1) You can still breed/sell in your state (maybe a chance to create a niche market for the hobby breeder)

2) Levels the playing field for the breeders out there...

3) You can't police what crosses state borders, you can just say you bought it there (as you said)

4) It's not enforceable (this from a licensing experience where I am) as there not even a regulatory body that will be monitoring this. There's no proposed census of your animals, so how would they no what you have and don't have or where the heck you bought it from.

5) No animal is "illegal" so realistically no biggie... I really don't see the state governments monitoring their borders that closely looking for "snakes". Or them knocking at your door saying "hey wait a minute that a new damn snake"

Skumbo · 02-29-12, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by red ink

If that was the case then....

Mate I would say that this "ban" is a non-event. All it's restricting is movement of animals not making the animals themselves "illegal".

1) You can still breed/sell in your state (maybe a chance to create a niche market for the hobby breeder)

2) Levels the playing field for the breeders out there...

3) You can't police what crosses state borders, you can just say you bought it there (as you said)

4) It's not enforceable (this from a licensing experience where I am) as there not even a regulatory body that will be monitoring this. There's no proposed census of your animals, so how would they no what you have and don't have or where the heck you bought it from.

5) No animal is "illegal" so realistically no biggie... I really don't see the state governments monitoring their borders that closely looking for "snakes". Or them knocking at your door saying "hey wait a minute that a new damn snake"

Exactly! The thing is just avoiding this going through because none of us want it to "open the floodgates" for instance.

I had a really awesome (and depressing) conversation with a friend at college, shes graduating in a few months and will be going back to norway (not what she was planning on) and needs to find a new home for her ball python (im going to take it in most likely) because of a "similar issue" that eventually sprung a ruling in 1977 (yeah a while ago, but the law still stands.) causing an all encompassing ban on reptile ownership in norway. All captive (even in zoos) offspring must be immediately exported (not sold though) or euthanized by law.

That said, its "estimated" that the "illegal herpiles are in the 100,000's in norway, and over 1,000 have been seized/euthanize (they just freeze them or shoot them to death usually on site) by the norweigan government (i looked into it a bit, there are stories about authorities coming in and not being able to confiscate an animal on technicality, so they "taped off" a mans living room and let the animal starve to death before he was allowed into that part of his house again. Others have come home to their animals out in their front yard frozen to death during the winter, as police get search warrants based on "suspected" ownership of reptiles a lot there, apparently.

take my rant as an example of why we don't want bans to begin, because in 40 years we may be in a country where the police can show up and murder your pets because they're not furry enough.

Keep in mind how heart breaking this is for my friend, she came here to study to become a veterinarian, and mainly wants to focus on reptiles, and because of her visa issues she has to move back to a country where its a felony to posses a reptile (keep in mind 5 months out of the year the average temperate is about -5 there, so these bans were passed purely due to sensationalism and political reasons.)