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Old 01-03-12, 10:45 PM   #1
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Re: I DONT want that snake........

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owning a snake eating snake and feeding it snakes.....

is no different than feeding rodents to a non cannibilistic snake

or feeding eggs to an egg eating snake

the truth on my part is,feeding unwanted hatchlings to a cannibilistic snake is not cruel,it makes sense and allows me to justify it to myself (just being honest)
Actually you make a good point I hadn't really thought of. And i love the honesty..totally refreshing!
OKay, so i cede that snakes eating snake isn't really any different than snakes eating rodents...in that they're eating meat, etc. But....snakes are so CUTE! I think it would just be too hard for me to do. I don't feed live either, so it's not really something i've thought about much except to say "poor snake!" in my head.
Oh and I hunt and fish, and have a few trophies on my dad's wall, so it's not that part of it. If i had a snake that refused everything but live, I would feed it live (probably even thumped on the head live so the snake wouldn't be scratched or hurt)...but that's a different story. Anyway...if I were breeding a snake because i loved that snake type i just don't think i could feed it's babies to anything.
hmm I still don't know think i could breed something if i knew the risk of problems was high.
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the carpet market is saturated with bellow average unwanted carpets,why put more out there,when there is a snake who's natural diet is other snakes ?
AGreed! by why breed them at all when you *know* a certain amount of the offspring is going to be inferior and HAVE to be food? We're probably going to have to agree to disagree here *lol*
I guess this is why though
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re jaguar neuro issues
its only 5 to 10% of jags that have neuro's,to me thats an acceptable risk(just being honest)
I'd have to think about it. It is a low risk. I guess i'd have to say i'm thinking more of the BP morphs that are out there. In fact, i'm probably mostly thinking of that.

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i respect your opinion,although it differs from mine pal,but i don't think theres anything i can say that makes it benificial or that will change your mind

for example
i am horrified at the thought of someone devenomising snakes and find it totally UNATURAL
I actually agree that this shouldn't happen. But, i would by lying if a part of me didn't think that it would be cool to have a hot that wasn't hot. It'd also be nice to have my dog debarked, but i haven't done that either *lol* That one really horrifies people sometimes, but as long as it doesn't hurt the animal to not have that particular item that was taken away...i don't know. I guess i like to think i disagree with it in principle but i'm also pretty selfish and might like the convenience. Honesty! Dirty Honesty *lol*

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re ball pythons and morphs
the fancy ball morphs and carpet morphs imo have done wonders for the hobby,its brought lots of new snake keepers to the hobby.so imo its wrong to label it " a waste "
Hmm i don't know that i actually have thought about, or really care if a lot of people join the hobby. Frankly, many people who come into the pet store where i work don't seem to act like they take care of, or even deserve such a wonderful type of animal. Totally my opinion obviously, and clearly someone would think the same of me if they didn't like my points of view etc.

I guess if i think about it, it makes sense though. There would be more people who support the hobby, making it easier to get items and stuff since it would be more popular and more widespread. I think it's kind of a shame that it takes a genetic mutation to get people interested, but oh well i guess.

I'm kinda weird, because i don't think i'm against cross breeds, but i just hate all the stigma and "wrong" seeming reasons that people promote morphs.
So i mean i'm kind of okay with messing around with breeding.
I still don't think i could breed snakes knowing that i'd have to feed offspring to something else because i *knew* that some would be messed up

I'm kinda rambling now. To bring it on home i'll say that i wouldn't purposely own a morph of any kind with a genetic disorder...like i mean purchase one, but i would take care of one.
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Re: I DONT want that snake........

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Actually you make a good point I hadn't really thought of. And i love the honesty..totally refreshing!
OKay, so i cede that snakes eating snake isn't really any different than snakes eating rodents...in that they're eating meat, etc. But....snakes are so CUTE! I think it would just be too hard for me to do. I don't feed live either, so it's not really something i've thought about much except to say "poor snake!" in my head.
Oh and I hunt and fish, and have a few trophies on my dad's wall, so it's not that part of it. If i had a snake that refused everything but live, I would feed it live (probably even thumped on the head live so the snake wouldn't be scratched or hurt)...but that's a different story. Anyway...if I were breeding a snake because i loved that snake type i just don't think i could feed it's babies to anything.
hmm I still don't know think i could breed something if i knew the risk of problems was high.
AGreed! by why breed them at all when you *know* a certain amount of the offspring is going to be inferior and HAVE to be food? We're probably going to have to agree to disagree here *lol*
I guess this is why though I'd have to think about it. It is a low risk. I guess i'd have to say i'm thinking more of the BP morphs that are out there. In fact, i'm probably mostly thinking of that.

I actually agree that this shouldn't happen. But, i would by lying if a part of me didn't think that it would be cool to have a hot that wasn't hot. It'd also be nice to have my dog debarked, but i haven't done that either *lol* That one really horrifies people sometimes, but as long as it doesn't hurt the animal to not have that particular item that was taken away...i don't know. I guess i like to think i disagree with it in principle but i'm also pretty selfish and might like the convenience. Honesty! Dirty Honesty *lol*

Hmm i don't know that i actually have thought about, or really care if a lot of people join the hobby. Frankly, many people who come into the pet store where i work don't seem to act like they take care of, or even deserve such a wonderful type of animal. Totally my opinion obviously, and clearly someone would think the same of me if they didn't like my points of view etc.

I guess if i think about it, it makes sense though. There would be more people who support the hobby, making it easier to get items and stuff since it would be more popular and more widespread. I think it's kind of a shame that it takes a genetic mutation to get people interested, but oh well i guess.

I'm kinda weird, because i don't think i'm against cross breeds, but i just hate all the stigma and "wrong" seeming reasons that people promote morphs.
So i mean i'm kind of okay with messing around with breeding.
I still don't think i could breed snakes knowing that i'd have to feed offspring to something else because i *knew* that some would be messed up

I'm kinda rambling now. To bring it on home i'll say that i wouldn't purposely own a morph of any kind with a genetic disorder...like i mean purchase one, but i would take care of one.

our views are not so different really pal

re why breed in the first place
being honest,i breed to try and get the high quality examples i want for my own collection.it would give me more satisfaction than just going out and buying it from a top breeder.

my main problem was all the waste produced in unwanted bellow average examples

a black headed python would solve that dilemma,as i would be providing part of its natural diet,that being other reptiles

i know no one wants to picture a cute wee lizard/snake being eaten by a bhp,but that is exactly what happens in the wild

cheers shaun
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AGreed! by why breed them at all when you *know* a certain amount of the offspring is going to be inferior and HAVE to be food? We're probably going to have to agree to disagree here *lol*
Actually most thing bred have a certain amount of offspring that in nature it wouldn't survive and would end up as food for something. We commonly call them runts.
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