Been a way for a while, have a concern

Albert Clark · 11-25-17, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TRD

breeding something with a known lesser quality of life (and god knows how they experience it) is not ethical. These morphs are bred for 1 reason, and one reason alone: $

And Ps. I'm not calling all other bp morphs 'defective', just those with known neuro issues.

Think of it what you will, but it's still not ethical what is being done.

Not to derail the thread, but I have a nephew with a genetic disability. That doesn't sentence him to a poor quality of life. In fact, he was in a wheelchair with motor/ muscular twitching in his lower limbs and negligible limb control. Through therapy, and the desire to get better, he is out of the wheelchair and walking on his own. He confided in me once that the worst part of his life was when people treated him as a deformity and not a person. I don't own a spider morph at the moment, but my nephew who is also a breeder of reptiles, and I, are considering a trade very soon and it involves a Spied morph. Can't wait.

regi375 · 11-26-17, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Not to derail the thread, but I have a nephew with a genetic disability. That doesn't sentence him to a poor quality of life. In fact, he was in a wheelchair with motor/ muscular twitching in his lower limbs and negligible limb control. Through therapy, and the desire to get better, he is out of the wheelchair and walking on his own. He confided in me once that the worst part of his life was when people treated him as a deformity and not a person. I don't own a spider morph at the moment, but my nephew who is also a breeder of reptiles, and I, are considering a trade very soon and it involves a Spied morph. Can't wait.

There's a big difference between your nephew and a snake Albert. With your nephew, it happened by chance that he was born with those issues. With these snakes, they're being intentionally bred and born with these issues. The problem isn't that they have a disability, it's that they're being bred knowing that they're going to have a disability that affects them adversely.

Albert Clark · 11-26-17, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by regi375

There's a big difference between your nephew and a snake Albert. With your nephew, it happened by chance that he was born with those issues. With these snakes, they're being intentionally bred and born with these issues. The problem isn't that they have a disability, it's that they're being bred knowing that they're going to have a disability that affects them adversely.

Actually a small difference but the principle scenario is very similar. The spider disability (thank you) is one that has varying degrees of severity and most are certainly not adversely affected with all due respect. I have only a vague recollection of one person that claims to of had a spider with a wobble so bad it wouldn't eat. However, that same person just culled it instead of taking suggestions on how to minimize it, so who knows how bad it really was? Then there are always the " i know a breeder", "i have a buddy", my sister's cousins aunt" rumors that you never find a source to, seems to be the same people that have desert females that lay viable eggs. Besides that, we have multi thousands of spiders that thrive perfectly fine in captivity.