Dwarf Burmese Pythons

[SSSSnakes]

Originally Posted by Scubadiver59

No guns and no snakes...I'd move.

I am moving to Ca.

[Scubadiver59]

Nah...still no guns allowed.

Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

I am moving to Ca.

[Krj-2501]

I performed educational snake shows for over 35 years. I had licenses for venomous, large, native and endangered / threatened snakes, so I could and did keep a lot of snakes that other people could not. There are always ways to get around laws legally. And being I had the licenses, the DEC and law enforcement would give me snakes when they confiscated them from illegal collections.

Good to know.

Still I am glad to being living in a state that does not require such licenses or permits. As I doubt these licenses are easy for the average reptile keeper to get.

[Krj-2501]

I have being looking for breeders who breed Dwarf and/or Half Dwarf Burms.

So far I have only found one breeder (Bob Clark) that still breeds pure progschai Burms.

And I have yet to find one which still breeds half dwarfs. Although I have been told they do exist. But it may be a buyer beware type situation. As a lot of the "Half Dwarf" Burms may in fact just be small/sub-adult mainland Burms which people are claiming are Half Dwarfs.

[dannybgoode]

Originally Posted by Krj-2501

I have being looking for breeders who breed Dwarf and/or Half Dwarf Burms.

So far I have only found one breeder (Bob Clark) that still breeds pure progschai Burms.

And I have yet to find one which still breeds half dwarfs. Although I have been told they do exist. But it may be a buyer beware type situation. As a lot of the "Half Dwarf" Burms may in fact just be small/sub-adult mainland Burms which people are claiming are Half Dwarfs.

Imo if you can get a pure blood line then go for it. If you want a dwarf you may as well get a known quantity.

That said if you can find a pure locality SD retic I'd take that over a dwarf burm - more active, less flighty and hidey. SD retics just act like they're a 20' snake - they don't know they're only a few feet - whereas dwarf burms have quite a different temperament to their larger counterpart.

I guess this is because genetically an SD retic is the same as a mainland - they are all Python reticulatus just some are smaller given food availability for their location. However bivittatus and bivittatus progschai are separate sub species.

[Krj-2501]

I guess this is because genetically an SD retic is the same as a mainland - they are all Python reticulatus just some are smaller given food availability for their location.

The reticulated Python has 3 known sub-species at this time. The full sized mainland sub-species - P. r. reticulatus. Where as the other two sup-species - P. r. jampeanus (Jampea/Kayaudi dwarf retics) & P. r. saputrai (Selayer retics). It has been suggested that the SD forms may in fact represent another unknown sub-species or even a couple of sub-species.

The reason most dwarf & SD retics get much larger in captivity than in the wild is that they are often hybridized with the mainland retics - to produce the various morphs. Notice how many morphs there are of the dwarf and SD forms. It is very VERY hard to find a pure SD retic.

That said if you can find a pure locality SD retic I'd take that over a dwarf burm - more active, less flighty and hidey. SD retics just act like they're a 20' snake - they don't know they're only a few feet - whereas dwarf burms have quite a different temperament to their larger counterpart.

To that I say - I have heard(from people who have had them) of some SD Retics which are also flighty, with a nasty disposition(hiss, strike, bite). And I have heard of captive bred pure Dwarf Brums being described as "puppy dog" tame. So as we have already discussed - it's likely more about the individual snake & owner than it is the species or sub-species as a whole.

[dannybgoode]

Originally Posted by Krj-2501

The reticulated Python has 3 known sub-species at this time. The full sized mainland sub-species - P. r. reticulatus. Where as the other two sup-species - P. r. jampeanus (Jampea/Kayaudi dwarf retics) & P. r. saputrai (Selayer retics). It has been suggested that the SD forms may in fact represent another unknown sub-species or even a couple of sub-species.

The reason most dwarf & SD retics get much larger in captivity than in the wild is that they are often hybridized with the mainland retics - to produce the various morphs. Notice how many morphs there are of the dwarf and SD forms. It is very VERY hard to find a pure SD retic.



To that I say - I have heard(from people who have had them) of some SD Retics which are also flighty, with a nasty disposition(hiss, strike, bite). And I have heard of captive bred pure Dwarf Brums being described as "puppy dog" tame. So as we have already discussed - it's likely more about the individual snake & owner than it is the species or sub-species as a whole.

Interesting re the sub species of reticulatus - thank you.

I'm lucky - my Madu is F1 from WC parents and I have been offered a female from the same breeder when he has one available. He won't exceed 6'. Temperament wise he's ace - not at all bitey or flighty. Very food orientated but doesn't show any propensity to strike.

I only know of two people in the UK with pure Madu lines though so yes they're not common. I will be the third