Pittbull ban passed, quesiton for existing owners - Page 2

joey · 03-02-05, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Vengeance
LOL, gotta love it when people on such opposite sides of the spectrum are in the same forum

a big sense of the 'real-world'

sturiches2000 · 03-02-05, 12:28 PM

To get on topic, I spayed my Akita at 6 months of age. Part of the non-breeding agreement, but I would have done it anyhow.

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 03-02-05, 12:47 PM

BOB:

Sounds like the Bob Barker law, "please be responsible and have your cats and dogs spayed or nuetered - I am Bob Barker".....

Actually if you do not intend on breeding your dogs or cats, they should be fixed. And if you do you should get a license to breed and be registered to keep responsible breeders in check and get the yahoos to stop this practice. Nothing against either but its not hard to put to dogs together and get a litter and sell off pups at low ball price or higher, but how many sell responsibly - and how many of those dogs and cats face a short life at a shelter because of this ignorance to responsibility. We got 2 Dobermanns, both males both fixed.....now if nature says these 2 can breed by some miracle then I lost my understanding of breeding,

Tony

silent_truth · 03-02-05, 12:50 PM

A little perspective of the possible scenarios according to Shadow’s original inquiry:

Scenario A:
John Doe owns a dog that is considered to be in the classification of a “pit bull”. John decides that he doesn’t agree with the new legislation that has been put in place, so he ignores the new regulations for owning a dog of this classification. John’s neighbours speak amongst themselves about John’s lack of action to comply with these new regulations. John is reported to the authorities, his dog is impounded and legal action is taken against John.

Scenario B:
John Doe owns a “pit bull” that has been a loving pet for many years. John learns of the new regulations requiring him to muzzle the dog when out in public, but he delays doing anything to comply with these new regulations. John’s neighbours don’t mind that John is not complying as the dog has always been friendly. One day John’s dog misunderstands the fast approach of one of John’s old friends who has come to visit him and attacks the man. John is not only liable for the damages incurred by his dog but is now facing penalties associated with non-compliance of the law. John’s dog is impounded, legal action is taken against John.

Scenario C:
John Doe owns a “pit bull” that has for the most part been a great dog. John does not agree with the new legislation banning pit bulls and requiring the established animals to be muzzled while in public, but he complies with the regulations as he cherishes his dog enough to do whatever allows him to keep the dog for the longest possible time. John and his dog share many great years together and wearing the muzzle becomes just another part of the routine for John’s dog.

Which scenario would you pick if you were in John’s place? Refusing to comply with the law and possibly allowing a situation to develop that is hazardous to yourself, to other people and/or animals is ignorant and it will only reaffirm what was said by the people who claimed that all of the dogs in this breed are dangerous. So what reason would one have for non-compliance?

-Adam

Topaz · 03-02-05, 12:55 PM

Omg, iceman, call the cops and humane society, that is illegal and so cruel. They can be and should be charged for that. You can do it annonymously.

Poor dogs...

atw · 03-02-05, 01:02 PM

Joey,

I agree that it is important to fix dogs. However, the issue is not whether it is 'a very responsible thing to do' because there are too many unwanted dogs: the issue is whether it is appropriate to be forced to do this to your animal because of a law based on hysteria that has the intent of eliminating a breed.

In this respect, I hope owners do not obey the fixing law if they are intent on breeding their animals because I do not think the breed should be eliminated.

Adam

Shad0w · 03-02-05, 01:08 PM

Hmmm

Here is another question,

Ive heard that people with large or so called dangerous dogs are having a VERY hard time getting home insurance... anyone experience this or have their insurance company cancel their policy because of a dog?

Invictus · 03-02-05, 01:25 PM

Ah, I knew this post was coming, and I've been looking forward to it, but probably not for the reasons many of you who followed the last post on this subject may believe.

Some will recall my absolute PRO- stance on the banning of pitbulls. I will not say why nor how, but I have had a complete change of heart on the matter. Suffice it to say that my eyes were opened in a way that a debate on a public forum could not have achieved. I won't make any apologies for presenting nor vehemently defending my previous standpoint - I will merely say that I was wrong.

That being said...

I'm sorry to hear about this law being passed. And a reminder to all Ontario residents - Giant snakes (burms, retics, etc.) are not legal in Alberta, but Pitbulls still are! And we have more reptile shows per year than any other province now!

Trying to make light of the situation, don't mind me....

Iceman · 03-02-05, 01:58 PM

lol, i should have continued my post, that happened about a year ago, the guys pitbull ended up being put down because it attacked a 3 year old kid, i can't remember what happened to the guy though, i think the little kids mother pressed charges..

marisa · 03-02-05, 02:06 PM

Good post Invictus. You guys have your Pitts and we still have our Burms. Makes a lot of sense. lol

Already the Sun has ANOTHER dog breed on the cover today talking about how dangerous this OTHER breed is.

When will it stop? I am sure my Jack Russell is next.

While this topic has been done before, it's hard not to talk about it when the government doesn't even listen to the vets of their own country who totally disagree with the ban. I'd rather see them spending the money and time this will take on educated new dog owners and offering free spay and nutuer for ALL breeds for those who cannot afford it.

I can't believe they are wasting time on DOGS when booze still kills thousands a year. And smoking? You want to ban something, ban those things which kill 500 times what any dog breed does per year not to metion cost the country THOUSANDS more per year. But I guess we can't fix those problems until the roaming herds of killer dogs are off the streets.

I am sure they will remove the ban once the government figures out how they can make money off them like they do smokes and booze, because these things that kill are A O.K. as long as they make money!

Marisa

atw · 03-02-05, 02:11 PM

LOL Good post Marisa!

marisa · 03-02-05, 02:19 PM

Here's an interesting part my boyfriend brought up to me:

"The ban applies to the pit bull terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, American pit bull terrier or dogs that are very similar in appearance and physical characteristics."

So does this mean a dog that LOOKS like a pit bull is banned? What about overweight labs? They look a little Pitty to me. What about Boxers? Are they now banned? They look like Pits to me. And what person will be deciding which dogs look too much like Pit Bulls? Who will decide on a individual case basis which dog looks too "offensive"

Now if a dog LOOKS like a Pit it's banned? Is this a joke? It's really making me think its a joke. This is a terrible, ignorant, non-thought out ban! It's almost laughable how much planning they FORGOT to put into this.

I saw someone cooking with Oregano today. It LOOKED a little bit like marijuana so I think I am gonna go phone the local authorities, you know, just in case.

Marisa

sleddergirl · 03-02-05, 02:28 PM

My take on everything that has been said so far.

Yes, any dog that "looks" like a pit bull, is considered one by Michael Bryant, unless you have papers from the AKC, CKC or UKC to state otherwise. If your dog gets accused of being a pitpull, the burden of proof lies with you........so unless you have a purebred dog WITH documentation, you're screwed.

The dog on the front page of the Sun today was listed as being a mastiff, its actually a Presa de Canario. I only knew of one breeder in Ontario and she has since stopped selling her dogs. Some of you may remember a few years ago, there was a school teacher killed in her apartment building by 2 dogs, in San Francisco. They were reported as being "huge pit bulls" initially. They were actually Presas that were owned by lawyers.

I have not started to wear a muzzle on Tank. He is fixed and microchipped and I will start to muzzle him when I am required to do so, by law. At this point in time, I am not.

Sue

JAdkins2451 · 03-02-05, 02:41 PM

Marisa I totally agree with the looks of dogs.. I have 2 boxers, one I dont think looks anything like a pitbull but the other is a little shorter and alot more stocky then the other. And it kind of does look like a pitbull ecept her colour and tails..

The only reason I had brought that up is, when thay fiest started to talk about banning pitbulls last summer I was walkin my dogs through the neighbour hood a man and his wife commented, saying what are you going to do when they ban pitbulls. I just kind of looked at them, and they replayed were talkin about your dogs. I just said there boxers, and walked away.

I geuss my point is people that dont know dog ( breeds ) will think that many diffrent breeds are pitbulls without second guessing.

Jamie

sleddergirl · 03-02-05, 02:47 PM

I feel bad for the people who have dogs that an uninformed neighbour might mistake for a pitbull. Christ, its bad enough that we're fighting for our dogs, but to have a dog thats not a pitbull and still have to fight for it...............

I also wonder what happened with Dalton McGuinty........apparently there was a little hush hush about the fact that part of his campaign had been to allow the Liberal party individuals to vote as independants.................then he said for Bill 132 (the pit bull ban) that they were voting as a party.........?

The only thing most pit bulls fight, is a media induced stereo-type!

Sue