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I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of this thread, since I was unaware there were any stereotypes. Though I'm sure as with most stereotypes it just isn't true...
Stereotypes are true. They are founded in truth. Surely it isn't to an exact definition but they wouldn't be stereotypes without some truth!
What's nudity got to do with respect... in reverse what's sharp clothing got to do with respect?
Respect is earned regardless of the amount of clothing male or female.
Are you asking if naked pics are damaging the image of women in the hobby?
The answer to that is yes - but only if the person looking is a backward chauvanist numb nut... the rest of us that don't equate your status/respect to your image and the ability you have in keeping animals... nudity is icing on the cake.
Image is a lot. If the first thing I happen to see of a newly joined member is nudity I've already begun to form an impression of them. We all do it. It takes 5 seconds in meeting someone to make an impression.
Jerry made good points.
I think it's sad that women generally hide themselves online and when they do post pictures. Maybe just holding a snake or other reptile and some guy does what Jerry says "oh there's a reptile in that pic?" It turns it sexual and we shouldn't do that. I'm sure it's nice to get a compliment but at the same time I'm sure those women would like to just be equal in that moment.
Image is a lot. If the first thing I happen to see of a newly joined member is nudity I've already begun to form an impression of them. We all do it. It takes 5 seconds in meeting someone to make an impression.
Jerry made good points.
I think it's sad that women generally hide themselves online and when they do post pictures. Maybe just holding a snake or other reptile and some guy does what Jerry says "oh there's a reptile in that pic?" It turns it sexual and we shouldn't do that. I'm sure it's nice to get a compliment but at the same time I'm sure those women would like to just be equal in that moment.
I agree with your last paragraph. It's just skin. Being nude doesn't always need to be sexualized. It's the men who sexualize everything that should be looked down upon, not women for showing some skin.
I agree with your last paragraph. It's just skin. Being nude doesn't always need to be sexualized. It's the men who sexualize everything that should be looked down upon, not women for showing some skin.
No? I shouldn't blame the women who show series of nude pics on other forums? No guy said they HAD to take them or put them up.
No? I shouldn't blame the women who show series of nude pics on other forums? No guy said they HAD to take them or put them up.
Yeah so they want to show off their body so what? It doesn't make me think less of someone. I don't mean this politically but I think it's a very traditional or conservative way of thinking to demonize nudity. Again, it's just skin. Nothing fancy, nothing bad either. There are civilizations in this world where women walk around with their money makers hanging out all day, and where the men wear nothing but a horn over their genitals. It's nothing to sexualize unless you're a pervert. People get too threatened by bare skin.
Yeah so they want to show off their body so what? It doesn't make me think less of someone. I don't mean this politically but I think it's a very traditional or conservative way of thinking to demonize nudity. Again, it's just skin. Nothing fancy, nothing bad either. There are civilizations in this world where women walk around with their money makers hanging out all day, and where the men wear nothing but a horn over their genitals. It's nothing to sexualize unless you're a pervert. People get too threatened by bare skin.
I think this is now getting too personal in opinion. I don't care about bare skin. It isn't the point.
The point Lori was trying to make was are these women actually hurting the image of women as a whole in the hobby? It's about broad spectrum and not individual acts they do or don't do.
I'd say yes.
Also for the record, I doubt you'd think so highly of a woman if she were dating your son and was a prostitute or a stripper. Or if your daughter had these positions.
Also for the record, I doubt you'd think so highly of a woman if she were dating your son and was a prostitute or a stripper. Or if your daughter had these positions.
LOL for the record.
Why would you even say that? That has nothing to do with nudity. Nudity in itself is not sexual. It is simply the act of not wearing clothing. Prostitution is fundamentally sexual. Why you would even equate them confuses me. They are different topics.
Why would you even say that? That has nothing to do with nudity. Nudity in itself is not sexual. It is simply the act of not wearing clothing. Prostitution is fundamentally sexual. Why you would even equate them confuses me. They are different topics.
Simply nevermind...if you're going to respond please be sure to talk about the thread topic since you consider this a different topic.
Simply nevermind...if you're going to respond please be sure to talk about the thread topic since you consider this a different topic.
I am talking about matters relevant to this thread. We can't talk vaguely all the time. We have to discuss the different points made on a topic to come to a conclusion. Public nudity is one aspect that we agreed ruins women's image in the hobby. We are simply expanding on that point. You just realized that equating nudity in itself to a woman dating my son while being a hooker was asinine.
If a women dresses a certain way, she should be addressed a certain way. If she wants to show off all kinds of cleavage, than she should expect and she 99% of the time does expect these type of comments, whether she admits it or not. Nudity doesn't need to be sexual? Why don't you tell that to your instinctive nature. Don't give me any of that rubbish. IMO a women who is posing naked for the entire world to see on the internet, has no shame and should be treated like she has no shame. They are seeking attention, and want to be looked at, if you don't believe it your a fool.
If a women dresses a certain way, she should be addressed a certain way. If she wants to show off all kinds of cleavage, than she should expect and she 99% of the time does expect these type of comments, whether she admits it or not. Nudity doesn't need to be sexual? Why don't you tell that to your instinctive nature. Don't give me any of that rubbish. IMO a women who is posing naked for the entire world to see on the internet, has no shame and should be treated like she has no shame. They are seeking attention, and want to be looked at, if you don't believe it your a fool.
It doesn't need to be sexual at all actually. As mentioned before there are civilizations where men and women live almost nude or fully nude. The men do not have chronic hard ons at the sight of breasts or buttocks. Our culture is just seriously sexually repressed which is why a little bit of skin sets people off. I'll say this over and over again. It's just skin, woopdeedoo.
I don't think you can use nude societies as proof, they are the exception, and clothing societies are the examples you should be looking at since they are the majority of the human population. Its not just our 'culture'. Its probably 95 % of the the world. The human form is attractive to the opposite sex, wider hips, larger breasts, whatever. Consciously and sub consciously, we have trigger 'traits' that we look for and find attractive. You can raise a child to think that humans are disgusting and monkeys are attractive if you try hard enough, but what does that prove then? That we are attracted to monkeys? ....Human beings are attracted to the bodies of other human beings, if thats not the case, its an exception to the normal. Big deal.
I used nudity as an example. It is not the reason I started this thread. I think that the behavior in general of some of the more vocal women in this hobby is in some ways automatically reflected in how women are regarded in the broader aspects of our community.
For example: we talked about how sometimes by avatar and username you'd never know the member was female. This is completely fine because it puts everyone on a level playing field.
There was a thread on here about girls and reptiles notice how there wasn't one called boys with reptiles?
I just don't think women are taken as seriously as men
We have some female members on here who have collections that outweigh most mens' in terms of size and badassary and it sucks that they have to work harder for the same recognition as their male counterparts because of the image some women create for all of us.
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