Please Help - Cat Bullying - Page 6

smy_749 · 07-12-13, 05:52 PM

I didn't read the whole thread, and thats a pretty cool system in norway, but are you guys now comparing humans to cats and dogs?

formica · 07-12-13, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

I didn't read the whole thread, and thats a pretty cool system in norway, but are you guys now comparing humans to cats and dogs?

isnt it fascinating, and very unique, i hope it catches on around the world, imagine what their society will be like in 20, 50, 100 years time if they keep on the same path! exciting prospect imo

there is separate research into animals which shows very similar principals when training animals and teaching humans, obviously with more complex communication there are significant differences, but the aspects of positive and negative reinforcement are surprisingly similar. but the human bit is just the usual internet tangent within a tangent lol

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 12:20 AM

It's hard to respond any other way to idiocy. When you are so ignorant you absolutely refuse to listen and insult us what do you honestly expect? Calling you ignorant isn't being mean, it's being truthful. Sorry but not sorry. If you don't like the truth maybe you should change.

Anyways OP: E-collars aren't shock collars and are painless. You can easily find a very successful program/guide to help you. Best of luck.

Amadeus · 07-14-13, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Abraxxos

It's hard to respond any other way to idiocy. When you are so ignorant you absolutely refuse to listen and insult us what do you honestly expect? Calling you ignorant isn't being mean, it's being truthful. Sorry but not sorry. If you don't like the truth maybe you should change.

Anyways OP: E-collars aren't shock collars and are painless. You can easily find a very successful program/guide to help you. Best of luck.

I like you.

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Amadeus

I like you.

I like you too especially because you schooled her in her own language.

formica · 07-14-13, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Abraxxos

It's hard to respond any other way to idiocy. When you are so ignorant you absolutely refuse to listen and insult us what do you honestly expect? Calling you ignorant isn't being mean, it's being truthful. Sorry but not sorry. If you don't like the truth maybe you should change.

Anyways OP: E-collars aren't shock collars and are painless. You can easily find a very successful program/guide to help you. Best of luck.

how am i ignorant? I am succesfully using positive reinforcement, and several other people have piped up on this thread saying they also use it successfully - and we have all pointed out the diffrence between animals that have had each technique used, ie the outcomes are far better, we are not relying on second hand information, and worse still a sales pitch from a company trying to sell a piece of crap to you

funny how you refuse to show me these non painful electric shock collars eh

if they didnt shock they would be utterly pointless, because they would do nothing more than a trainer can do using their mouth, or a whistle, or their fingers to click - but if you want to spend your hard earned cash on a piece of crap to do it for you. go for it - but dont bring your attitude to me about it - I do not believe they are not painful for a cat, and I have no intention of trying one, if it wasnt painful it would be a complete waste of money anyway, negative reinforcement or not!

this is the last I have to say on the matter, its been tedious.

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by formica

how am i ignorant? I am succesfully using positive reinforcement, and several other people have piped up on this thread saying they also use it successfully - and we have all pointed out the diffrence between animals that have had each technique used, ie the outcomes are far better, we are not relying on second hand information, and worse still a sales pitch from a company trying to sell a piece of crap to you

funny how you refuse to show me these non painful electric shock collars eh

if they didnt shock they would be utterly pointless, because they would do nothing more than a trainer can do using their mouth, or a whistle, or their fingers to click - but if you want to spend your hard earned cash on a piece of crap to do it for you. go for it - but dont bring your attitude to me about it - I do not believe they are not painful for a cat, and I have no intention of trying one, if it wasnt painful it would be a complete waste of money anyway, negative reinforcement or not!

this is the last I have to say on the matter, its been tedious.

Be gone, annoyance. We don't want you to continue speaking. Why should I show you anything you want me to show you when you can't answer a simple question. If your precious continuous singular positive reinforcement is so amazing and great... answer the running question. But you won't. Because you can't. Because there is no way to train a dog to not run with positive reinforcement alone.

That wasn't a sales pitch but my friend. I don't have a dog she is trying to train and isn't part of the over all company. So maybe before you assume crap, like you have this ENTIRE THREAD, you should really think about what you're saying because assumptions make a bigger *** out of you than it does out of me. It isn't second hand advice. It was direct. It was her typing on my computer, direct quotes, you bigot.

How are you being ignorant? Because we were explaining to you exactly how it works. Exactly how it isn't painful. Explaining to you that e-collar doesn't mean elizabethan or electric but you are so filly with stupidity and stuck in your ways that you can't take five minutes to stop and read something that is unbiased and LEARN. THAT is why you are ignorant. The second somebody spoke about e-collars, you flipped out and insulted them. You immediately assumed they were talking about a shock collar. Immediately assumed that Nataku had to hate cats in order to think it was okay. I love cats. I think it's okay. Because it is. I love dogs. I think it's okay. Because it is. YOU cannot tell me differently because YOU have no bloody clue what the hell you are talking about.

And THEN when Amadeus stopped to point out that an electrical current isn't dangerous because HELLO your entire body runs off of electricity, you completely refused to listen. Grab a mini einstein collar, put it on your palm and feel it. Then and only then when you post a video of it, will I consider what you say to matter at all. Because if you want to talk about second hand information, honey, you're using it. Because you have no experience. So if you think it's hurting them, where are you getting your information. OBVIOUSLY not from your own dealings. So put up or shut up and stop being a hypocrite.

formica · 07-14-13, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Abraxxos

blah blah blah

you resort to name calling, are you 10 years old? its pathetic.

I dont need to waste my money on pointless training collars, I have a mouth to issue commands with, and its worked perfectly for over 20 years, I dont need to learn anything from someone like you - so, whatever!

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by formica

you resort to name calling, are you 10 years old? its pathetic.

I dont need to waste my money on pointless training collars, I have a mouth to issue commands with, and its worked perfectly for over 20 years, I dont need to learn anything from someone like you - so, whatever!

And you resort to completely ignoring the valid points and refusing to learn. It's hugely pathetic. And ignorant. And idiotic.

You call it name calling. I call it pointing out the obvious truth.

I can bet it isn't as good as our collars.

I'm just using big words you don't like. Get over yourself. If I wanted to honestly call you names without something backing it up I could. Take the truth and accept it. Thought you were done posting here Formica. What's a matter, training not working well enough so you felt you needed to come back here and defend it?

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 11:59 AM

"OP: I need help. Opinions please!
Person1: Here's my answer!
Person2: Here's my answer!
Person1: I disagree with your answer. You're a horrible person.
Person2: Well that escalated quickly.
Person3: Do you have any experience with Person2's answer?
Person1: No.
Person3: Then shut up."

This thread in a nutshell.

I have actually. The OP asked for help. I answered. Whether or not you like it wasn't asked. Whether or not you think it's useful wasn't asked. Your opinion wasn't asked. Period.

formica · 07-14-13, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Abraxxos

"OP: I need help. Opinions please!
Person1: Here's my answer!
Person2: Here's my answer!
Person1: I disagree with your answer. You're a horrible person.
Person2: Well that escalated quickly.
Person3: Do you have any experience with Person2's answer?
Person1: No.
Person3: Then shut up."

This thread in a nutshell.

I have actually. The OP asked for help. I answered. Whether or not you like it wasn't asked. Whether or not you think it's useful wasn't asked. Your opinion wasn't asked. Period.

pretty sure the title of this thread is 'please help' - and if someone is giving what I consider to be bad advice, then I will say so, deal with it.

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by formica

pretty sure the title of this thread is 'please help' - and if someone is giving what I consider to be bad advice, then I will say so, deal with it.

Except it isn't bad advice. You can't consider it to be bad because you don't actually know if it is or is not. You have never dealt with this and have no experience with this. You admitted to never having used them. Thus you have no experience thus you have no place to say whether or not it is or is not bad. However when 3 people post about having used them and having had positive results you can do nothing but continue to slam them with your blatant ignorance. Let's see. People with no experience versus people with experience. Guess who's post is valid. Let me give you a hint, it isn't the post belonging the the person who has no experience. If you've never ridden a bicycle you can't give advice on how to ride a bicycle. If you've never skydived you can't have a valid unbiased opinion on which parachuting systems are better BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW. Because you have never had experience with it. Because you know nothing about it. You can't tell a person whether vocal commands alone are better than e collars or not when you have no idea. The only experience you have is with vocal commands and sure, you know it has worked well so far but you have not a single living clue in the universe as to whether or not an ecollar could improve the training or not. So before you go around spreading hate and intolerance for something, experience it first. Everything to this point that you have said against ecollars is purely biased conjectural hear-say. No experience. No first hand knowledge. No understanding. You didn't even TRY to listen or understand.

formica · 07-14-13, 01:21 PM

in your opinion it isnt bad advice, in my opinion it is bad advice.

I have used both negative and positive reinforcement, so dont tell me I dont know what i'm talking about. I did read what you wrote initally, and then you got all up your own arse about it, so I stopped bothering. just like i'm still doing

Abraxxos · 07-14-13, 01:30 PM

I'm going to tell you you don't know what you are talking about because you act like you know everything there is to know about negative reinforcement and e-collars. You have never used them and never will. So no, you have no idea what you are talking about. When you have educated yourself, then come back, because right now you know nothing and with everything you say you only prove further that you know nothing.

formica · 07-14-13, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Abraxxos

I'm going to tell you you don't know what you are talking about because you act like you know everything there is to know about negative reinforcement and e-collars. You have never used them and never will. So no, you have no idea what you are talking about. When you have educated yourself, then come back, because right now you know nothing and with everything you say you only prove further that you know nothing.

yawn

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

Longest thread hyjack I have seen in a while.
So can anyone actually help the OP now ?
Do you even remember the question?

pretty sure she's sorted it a few pages back