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02-26-13, 09:29 AM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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I can not say who has them because the guy is private. All I can say is that we would have not sold them to someone who was not 100% capable of doing what we would be able to do with them.
And dont worry, we will have our own pair to work with soon. Most likely by summer.
Who was the guy? Me and John were the only ones to bring them in legally into the US.
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Gotta figure anyone with, and willing to spend, that kind of money on them is going to be taking care of them like they were his own children. Cant wait to see yours when you get them.
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02-26-13, 04:14 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
They still pop up on import lists every now and then (Canadian import lists)
Hell they are on the lists right now, duno if they were legally exported tho...
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02-26-13, 09:41 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
I like the way you think...
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02-27-13, 09:18 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
if monitors could be rapped in plastic, or stuffed in fake cakes, or disassembled and shipped in seperate pieces, wed have aussie monitors over here quickly. not sure why the export laws are so strict but i get why the imort laws are also after the kane toad stuff down under way back when. nice monitors, look good, but that "i have a 10k lizard" mentality is just making it harder to get them. its like anything, you run it through the laundry enough times it eventually becomes clean, not thats its right or ethical, but none the less it will at some point happen and the price will go down below 1000$ in time
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02-27-13, 09:26 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
Not exactly sure what you meant, had to make sure I was reading it right.
You are aware that "the kane toad stuff" down there is an ongoing epidemic right?
Either way, if you try hard you can still find Lace monitors at a reasonably price. I know the makasar port and the java port get them from time to time, there are small island colonies that are farmed pretty heavily.
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02-28-13, 01:29 AM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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Originally Posted by stephanbakir
there are small island colonies that are farmed pretty heavily.
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What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.
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02-28-13, 02:50 AM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.
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And i thought the aussie island stuff wasnt being exported either?
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02-28-13, 07:37 AM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.
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Some were exported originally to makasar (sula) and java, at least thats what the exporters tell you, email me at Stephanbakir@gmail.com and I'll send you the import list + the guys contact info
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Originally Posted by varanus_mad
And i thought the aussie island stuff wasnt being exported either?
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It's not, but whatever left before the laws past and their babies are still out there, carpets etc.
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02-28-13, 04:02 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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Originally Posted by jhinton6932
not sure why the export laws are so strict
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Because if reptile exports were legal it would be too easy to rort the system and start sneaking out rare reptiles, or start raiding wild nests to sell WC animals as 'CB'.
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Some were exported originally to makasar (sula) and java, at least thats what the exporters tell you
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The key line in this quote is "at least that's what the exporters tell you". Yes, someone is feeding you a line about smuggled animals.
1. Reptile export out of Australia has been illegal for a long time and no one was breeding them, then, so the story of breeding lines predating the ban on exports is exactly that - a story.
2. Why on earth would they be exported to Java and Sula, of all places?
3. It's no coincidence that Indonesia is known for a rorted export system whereby WC animals are smuggled out as 'CB', therefore Java and Sula are named as the places where lace monitors are 'heavily farmed' (lol). Lace monitors aren't farmed anywhere.
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03-01-13, 02:02 AM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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Originally Posted by stephanbakir
Some were exported originally to makasar (sula) and java, at least thats what the exporters tell you, email me at Stephanbakir@gmail.com and I'll send you the import list + the guys contact info
It's not, but whatever left before the laws past and their babies are still out there, carpets etc. |
Well that sounds like a lot of BS Thered be hundreds about by now if that was the case.
You only have to look at the aussie stuff that made it to know that,
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03-06-13, 08:28 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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What islands are those? As far as I know, lace monitors are not found anywhere off of mainland Australia.
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Gregg, Lace monitors are found on several islands off the east coast of Australia, in the states of Queensland (e.g., Whitsunday Islands, Frazier Island, South Stradbroke Island, Bribie Island...) and Victoria (e.g., Phillip Island), and maybe New South Wales as well?
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03-09-13, 09:54 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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Originally Posted by _Varanidae_
Gregg, Lace monitors are found on several islands off the east coast of Australia...
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I think you've taken his quote out of context. This was the original context (a suggestion that there are island colonies of lace monitors not governed by Australia's wildlife export laws):
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Originally Posted by stephanbakir
Either way, if you try hard you can still find Lace monitors at a reasonably price. I know the makasar port and the java port get them from time to time, there are small island colonies that are farmed pretty heavily.
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02-28-13, 04:05 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
Any clue how FR came into having Lace & Perentie?
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02-28-13, 07:36 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
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Originally Posted by infernalis
Any clue how FR came into having Lace & Perentie?
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Frank Retes never had perenties. A shipment he had coming in with one was stopped and seized by USFW before it ever got to him because someone (who will remain nameless) contacted the proper people to get it stopped. Seems there was a huge lack in proper paperwork proving the animals legality. So the person who blew the wistle made the right call in my opinion.
As for his lace monitors, He never legally imported them from anywhere. They had no CITES or paper trail at all. So, who knows how he got them. Obviously, no one ever cared enough to look into it.
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02-28-13, 07:42 PM
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Re: Importing Lace Monitors?
So his Perentie stories are a big crock?
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