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08-30-04, 05:39 PM
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I agree with Matt_k. I own a pit bull that i took from someone eles that did not take care of her and she would much rather lick you then bite you and there are no bad dogs just bad owners. I own a rotti that is 6 years old almost 7 and she has never done anything close to biting and it is because she was rasied right. people think that they can have a dog and not take the time to train them. oh by the way a chicuaua(spelt wrong i am sure)but never the less they bite more then pits or rottis bite but they dont do alot od damage. thats the problem. my daughter was bite by a small dog and the humane socioty did nothing about it because it was a small dog but if mine did it she would be put down.again it is the owners not the dog. the guy in the story was just walking the dogs for someone eles and they started to attack him. and people around there are saying the dogs were not very nice and neither was the owner so there is the problem.
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08-30-04, 05:42 PM
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I own and breed bandogges, and with anyone that has ever been to my home, my dogs are all big pussy cats, pitts, and pitt x neo mastiffs. They have ALL been raised with human contact and no corporal punishment. They respect that and return the kindness and gentleness that we give them. There are only bad dog owners, not bad dogs. Any breed of dog can be a bad dog, pitts just have the capability of making it known more so than other breeds.
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08-30-04, 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by V.hb
Just out of curiousity Marissa, where does your information come from regarding lab bites and pit attacks?
All dogs can become monsters, of course. But pits were bred for aggressive nature, making them more prone to be monsters in the wrong hands..
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Actually I forget where I read it, but apparently lab bites are in the top three reported bites, as well as there is some sort of thing involving home owners/liability with them, and I'm sure there are many more that go unreported, due to their popularity and likely lessly serious bite. Some dogs have a harder bite than others, which means their bteis are likely to be preorted over the others.
That asides, while pits are bred for aggression towards other dogs, they are bred for their loyalty towards people. They weren't bred to fight people.
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08-30-04, 05:45 PM
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I guarentee most people on this site that own pits dont walk up and down streets trying to intimidate people with them. Its the owners that do so that give pits bad reputations. I read an article in the star today, an ignorant pit bull owner was compared to a 5 year old with a loaded gun. You have to KNOW how to handle, and train the dog.
Is there any type of documentation on the net in regards to difficulty levels for each breed? Meaning, training etc? Still.. Its still the morons that get dogs to look tough that ruin the name.
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08-30-04, 05:46 PM
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btw linds, i think its quite difficult to label a lab as being more prone to bite than a pit. Think about it, people buy labs for kids, kids do stupid things to dogs and get bit, nothing to do with the temperment of the dog, its called driving the dog mad. Once again, the owner isnt taking proper precautions..
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08-30-04, 05:53 PM
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wait a minute all dogs can and will bite if that is the way they are raised, again i have a 6 year old rotti and she has had her ears pulled,her tail pulled my son at i year old laying on her and she is a suchy baby, she will bark at the door but once you come in she is a such(but that is her job ) to let us know people are there. again my daughter was bit by a small dog and nothing was done because of it size. which is sooooo not right.
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08-30-04, 06:01 PM
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It's also the individual dog.. Just like you can walk down the street and accidently bump into 10 people.. 9/10 of those people may just keep walking but there's ALWAYS that one person who will confront you on it..
My Cousin has an Akita (Large Breed, Bad Rep) and anyone can do whatever they want to that dog, including ride on it's back.. It will just sit there cause it LOVES the attention.. Someone else's Akita might not be so nice..
Like Adam said, there are too many people out there that are owning Pits, Rotti's and Boxers to name a few, just for a status.. They have them as a sense of security and intimidation.. We'll be having this debate as long as these people are able to own a dog..
Some of the blame should also be put on the breeders and the shelters.. I just recently adopted a Pit from a local shelter, they didn't do an ounce of a background check.. They saw the money and were happy with that.. Not even so much as a question to whether or not I have ever owned a dog..
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08-30-04, 06:05 PM
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First I love pitbulls, they are beautiful dogs. I see nothing wrong with owning them but...
I have to agree with V.hb. Pitbulls were bred to to fight. I dont think they should be banned it would do nothing. Maybe a liscensing is a good idea but I think the people who actually got it would be the responsible people in the first place and the irresponsible people just wouldn't get it. Even if they were to ban them there are many other powerful dogs irresponsible dog owners could easily get.
Labs being in the top three bites might have something to do with them being the one of the top two most popular dogs breeds for almost 15 years. That being said, a lab in an idiots is just as just as bad as a pitbull. The only difference being a pitbull attack in theory is going to be much worse.
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08-30-04, 06:05 PM
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Have got to agree with Matt K and lizlady and whoever else stuck up for pit bulls, and as Mariisa said anydog can bite. I know from personal experiences and 2 different dogs I'm been more afraid for my kids to be around golden retreivers of all dogs, of course every dog is diff. and has a diff. story but I completely 100% trust my pitty with my kids, my god they walk all over him drag him around with a leash and he still licks them to death and insists on the foot of their bed be his bed! Anyways just my thought...By the way Matt K those were great statistics quite interesting and easy to get, Thanks.
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08-30-04, 06:08 PM
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wow, they usually ask a million questions but i guess like you said they seen the money $$$$$. both of my dogs are sucks and love my kids and even love the reptiles and snakes and ofcourse the bird.LOL. it really is a bad thing because they are great companions and great with kids too. i know someone that was bit by a pit many years ago and it was her fault because she was playing with the dog with a stick and she put the stick up to her face and the dog tried to get it and missed. they were going to put the dog down and she frecked out and told then it was not the dogs fault and they never did put the dog down and the dog lived happily ever after and so did she(will with a small scar).
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08-30-04, 06:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by V.hb
You have to KNOW how to handle, and train the dog.
Is there any type of documentation on the net in regards to difficulty levels for each breed? Meaning, training etc? Still.. Its still the morons that get dogs to look tough that ruin the name.
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This is my point with the obedience training. It should be Mandatory, regardless of the species!
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08-30-04, 06:22 PM
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well i will always live by my dogs, she(my rotti) has saved the life of my son twice now and she deserves respect and love that she gets. I never had to take her to any classes but it took lots of time and treats but she is great. she sees other dogs and she just looks at them and walks away unless she is told to go play,and thats how it should be that way they know. my pit is still very young and still learning the rules of the house but is learning fast. here is a picture of her doing whatshe does best stealing my chair when i get up.LOL.
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08-30-04, 06:29 PM
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Any breed can and will bite if provoked, the difference is the severity of bites. From what I understand Cockers bite more than any other breed but a bite from one is hardly life threatening. Pits were bred for their aggressiveness, no question, and being a fierce and loyal breed is part of their popularity. I don't think that I would be as comfortable as some of you who have children and pits but that's me and is no indication that I disapprove of it. I would just be too concerned about the "what ifs".
BTW, I have a Shar-Pei/Pit mix and wouldn't give him up for the world, but if he ever bites someone he's gone.
Just my opinions, no offense to anyone.
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08-30-04, 06:39 PM
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DiamondDave, nice picture, he is cute but he is still a pit mix. right???? i really believe that it is the way the dog is raised and ofcourse the way the parents are. we had a rotti male and had to get rid of him becuase he was mean and i guess i should have none better,the mon was not very nice but the owner said it was becasue she was a new mom and that was far from the truth. my rotti just had babies 1 1/2 weeks ago and she is not mean at all. here is her picture.
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08-30-04, 06:39 PM
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sorry double post sorry guys.
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