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08-03-17, 01:15 AM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
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True Madu stay smaller than Kalatoa but yes undoubtedly some crossing and mis-naming takes place.
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From what I found - pure Madu "honey Island" are virtually unknown here in the states. But they differ from the Kalatoa locality in the color of the skin pigment - Mau have a more yellowish pigment, while the Kalatoa are more reddish. But in terms of size - they are both basically the same size. Either way they are both considered to be the TRUE Super Dwarfs.
I did find out that a pair(male & female) of Dwarf Brums (pure progschai) would be at least $1,000 U.S.(not including shipping).
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08-03-17, 02:08 AM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
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From what I found - pure Madu "honey Island" are virtually unknown here in the states. But they differ from the Kalatoa locality in the color of the skin pigment - Mau have a more yellowish pigment, while the Kalatoa are more reddish. But in terms of size - they are both basically the same size. Either way they are both considered to be the TRUE Super Dwarfs.
I did find out that a pair(male & female) of Dwarf Brums (pure progschai) would be at least $1,000 U.S.(not including shipping).
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Yes mine is markedly yellow. And by the time I've bought the pair they won't be far off $1200 or so. Kalatoa generally get nearer the 7-8' mark, Madu generally stay closer to 6-7' but yes not much in it by the time individual differences are taken into account.
Madu often have silver eyes as opposed to orange but not always. Not seen such an eye colour in other localities.
And yes both are definitely well into the SD category.
I'm totally smitten by mine - awesome snake - and it's such a shame that they're generally used to cross with mainlands to produce morphs and generic 'dwarfs'.
To be honest if the money was available I'd pay the $1k for a progschai pair but then I collect proven locality snakes and that sometimes has a price attaching.
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0.1 B imperator, 1.0 M spilota harrisoni, 1.0 C hortulanus, 2.1 P reticulatus (Madu locality), 1.1 S amethystine, 1.1 L olivaceous, 1.0 C angulifer, 1.0 Z persicus, 0.1 P regius, 0.1 N natrix, 0.1 E climacophora, 1.0 P obsoletus, 0.1 L geluta nigrtia, 1.0 P catenifer sayi, 1.0 T lepidus
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08-03-17, 11:31 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
Pure locality dwarfs are actually easier to find with the "dwarf" Boa constrictors.
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I'm totally smitten by mine - awesome snake - and it's such a shame that they're generally used to cross with mainlands to produce morphs and generic 'dwarfs'.
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Agreed. IMO Dwarf & Super Dwarf retics would be more awesome - without the hybridization with the mainland form. To have a full grown retic which only gets to 1/3-1/2 the size of a mainland retic has enough WOW factor.
And the same is true with the pure (100%) progschai brums compared to mainland brums. Think about it an adult brum which only gets to be as large as a normal Ball python. What's not to like?
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08-07-17, 01:54 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
Of course any time you cross a dwarf form/sub-species with a larger normal/mainland form - you are going to end up with a snake which is larger than a pure dwarf.
But I also think another main reason - you see several keepers with dwarfs which are larger than normal. Is that they may feeding their dwarf retics or dwarf brums much like you should a normal retic or burm. Instead of treating it as the sub-species/form which is - a dwarf.
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08-13-17, 02:58 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
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Madu often have silver eyes as opposed to orange but not always. Not seen such an eye colour in other localities.
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Not much to add at this moment besides that there are other locaties with silver eyes, both my Selayers have Silver eyes (female has half a yellow eye) and I've seen other localities with silver eyes.
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08-13-17, 09:56 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
I am not really interested in the dwarf/super dwarf retics. I have heard too many problems identifying pure Dwarfs and super dwarfs. Plus - pure dwarf retics can still get to 10-13 feet(a very big snake, imo). Super dwarfs are a bit better - IF you can find one.
I am interested in the progschai (dwarf) Brums - As I know at least one place to get them.
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10-03-17, 11:01 PM
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Dwarf Burmese Pythons
Update - last week I bought a pair(1 male, 1 female) of pure Progschai from Bob Clark.
Both are small (~16"/40cm), very active, beautiful and quite snappy.
Also the both have an excellent feeding response. Ate a rat fuzzy with the first 36 hours.
The 1st photo is of the male, the 2nd is of the female.
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10-25-17, 11:02 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
How are the little ones (pun intended) doing? I was just looking on Bobs' site and drooling wishing I could afford one for myself.
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10-29-17, 05:55 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
Great looking pair, good that they're eating well! How is their disposition at this point?
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10-30-17, 12:00 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
Stunning pair. Be great to see how these progress...
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0.1 B imperator, 1.0 M spilota harrisoni, 1.0 C hortulanus, 2.1 P reticulatus (Madu locality), 1.1 S amethystine, 1.1 L olivaceous, 1.0 C angulifer, 1.0 Z persicus, 0.1 P regius, 0.1 N natrix, 0.1 E climacophora, 1.0 P obsoletus, 0.1 L geluta nigrtia, 1.0 P catenifer sayi, 1.0 T lepidus
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10-30-17, 06:33 PM
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Re: Dwarf Burmese Pythons
Well - they are presently quite aggressive, especially in feeding. They are eating live and f/t fuzzy rats. They are feed once per week.
Note - the fuzzy rats are about the same size as small/hopper mice (15-20 g) - and they are about 10-20% larger (in diameter)than these dwarf burms presently are
They are also tend to have a very defensive temperament right. As I have allowing the to get adjusted to their new homes. I have not attempted to handle them - yet. And - yes I have been bitten by both of them once.
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