Your view of the reptile hobby

[psychocircus]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It depends sometimes conservation is needed to restore the balance of the ecosystem. For example dwindling bat populations affect insect numbers and in turn negatively impact other animals spreading disease.

Dwindling honey bee populations affect pollination and therefore food supplies for both animals and humans in the ecosystem are affected

absolutely, I'm referring to species that only exist in captivity, but are extinct in the wild, the ones that will probably never be reintroduced into the wild.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

My view of the reptile hobby? It's full of drama queens who instead of trying to help and educate new people about the hobby would rather argue among themselves. This hobby will always be view as a joke by outsiders because 80% of the people in it act so childish.

Always have to have the last word.
Always will argue till your blue in the face even when you don't have a leg to stand on.
Can never let things just die.
Can't just admit they don't know it all or maybe i was wrong about something.

The fact that threads like this full of childish bickering get more views and post than someone asking for help. Just makes me shake my head in shame.

Gave him the last word. I'm done. I was just trying to explain how trivial this all is. I try to understand when someone gets bent out of shape but I'm just here for discussion and people want me to make revolution.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by psychocircus

absolutely, I'm referring to species that only exist in captivity, but are extinct in the wild, the ones that will probably never be reintroduced into the wild.

Ah OK.

I would still consider that conservation.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

My view of the reptile hobby? It's full of drama queens who instead of trying to help and educate new people about the hobby would rather argue among themselves. This hobby will always be view as a joke by outsiders because 80% of the people in it act so childish.

Always have to have the last word.
Always will argue till your blue in the face even when you don't have a leg to stand on.
Can never let things just die.
Can't just admit they don't know it all or maybe i was wrong about something.

The fact that threads like this full of childish bickering get more views and post than someone asking for help. Just makes me shake my head in shame.

Oh daddy most of it is mikoh stomping because no one gets his point.... ever

[MDT]

I wanted to assert my bipedal-opposable-thumb-large-cranium dominance over some other species...I just happened to choose snakes.













(for the humor impaired...this was a joke)

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Yes but what change is there to make? People like creating morphs, people like buying morphs. That's something that I "dislike" but there's nothing to change. Why do you keep telling me to do something about it? I can have a negative opinion about something, but if it's something people want to do who am I to try to stop that? Especially when it's not violating me in anyway?


And raising 1.1 of a species won't change anything. I am currently raising "1.1's" to keep as pets and have fun breeding in the future. Why recommend that as a method of change?




I don't know what this statement was for, but basically you are taking this very personally and seriously over my statement of dislike for the ball python morph craze. I was just giving my input to this thread's topic and you are the one dragging this trivial issue along.




What's straight forward is the OP.

"What is your view on the reptile hobby as of now? What are some changes that would make it "better" in your opinion? In what direction would you like to see this hobby go?".

My input to that question was that I have distaste for the morph craze, particularly with ball pythons... but as I've explained time and time again, there's no real change to be done. That's just what people like right now. Has nothing to do with being lazy.

You confuse me because most of your posts are filled with ad-hominem. What personal problems do you have with me?

You have the last word. I've taken the time to try to get you to understand my points. If you don't get it by now, you won't get it anytime soon. You win, I lose.

The bold states you asked how the hobby can change for the "better".

The bold underline states that there's "no real change to be done."

You can't have it both ways. You aren't open to actual answers that differ from your view because you continually tell people that certain things aren't relevant when they are.

Case in point in a previous post you said my mindset to change something that someone dislikes is irrelevant when you made a thread about change. It makes no sense because in fact if we're discussing change then yes my point is/was relevant.

It's like beating my head against a wall here.

If someone dislikes something but doesn't want to change it then shut up and keep it to yourself. No one wants to here babbling if you're not going to do something about it. It becomes pointless drivel.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Oh daddy most of it is mikoh stomping because no one gets his point.... ever

Get my point!

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

The bold states you asked how the hobby can change for the "better".

The bold underline states that there's "no real change to be done."

You can't have it both ways. You aren't open to actual answers that differ from your view because you continually tell people that certain things aren't relevant when they are.

Case in point in a previous post you said my mindset to change something that someone dislikes is irrelevant when you made a thread about change. It makes no sense because in fact if we're discussing change then yes my point is/was relevant.

It's like beating my head against a wall here.

If someone dislikes something but doesn't want to change it then shut up and keep it to yourself. No one wants to here babbling if you're not going to do something about it. It becomes pointless drivel.

Sharing my view is one part of the question. My answer doesn't need to encompass all aspects of all three questions. This isn't an assignment. It's just an opener for conversation.

Giving my view does answer the first question, it doesn't go against anything to say that there is no real change to be done. That's just a change I'd like to see.

You see it as pointless, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

It's like beating my head against a wall here.

I feel the same way.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Get my point!

have one first!

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

have one first!

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Sharing my view is one part of the question. My answer doesn't need to encompass all aspects of all three questions. This isn't an assignment. It's just an opener for conversation.

Giving my view does answer the first question, it doesn't go against anything to say that there is no real change to be done. That's just a change I'd like to see.

You see it as pointless, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.




I feel the same way.

Exactly.

You would like to see a change. Why not make that change yourself? This has been my whole point and you have claimed for pages that you didn't want change.

Quit flip flopping. It's fine to have an opinion but because someone doesn't agree don't back pedal.

This has been my point the entire time.

Before I said a word this was very much a "I dislike the morphs blah blah blah" thread. Sure dislike it. That's fine but no one should be rude about it and call everyone interested in it a "pokemon collector". It's ignorant to assume someone's mentality.

Further, my point was to all those people who dislike seeing all those morphs at shows to stop whining about it on the internet and just do something about it.

For example, I wanted to see more rough scale sand boas so I went and bought a few pairs. I didn't complain that I didn't see any. I found them and bought them.

[thawes]

I wouldn't change too much...I would however like to see less fear mongering created by misinformed media, I would also like to see more parents keeping open minds towards letting their children enjoy reptiles (it's an excellent learning experience in so many ways). Besides all the hate and infighting we see within online forums, I think this "hobby" is moving forward positively. Whether you're a field herper, keeper, or breeder, it's something you do that you enjoy!

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I have been in this hobby for a really long time and I have yet to ever run into some 12 year old with a breeding project.

Although you might not run into them, they're out there. My oldest boy (10), has been around reptiles his whole life and has a couple projects up his sleeve. I also know a young girl who has a few corn snake clutches under her belt.

Cheers
Terry

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Exactly.

You would like to see a change. Why not make that change yourself? This has been my whole point and you have claimed for pages that you didn't want change.

Quit flip flopping. It's fine to have an opinion but because someone doesn't agree don't back pedal.

This has been my point the entire time.

Before I said a word this was very much a "I dislike the morphs blah blah blah" thread. Sure dislike it. That's fine but no one should be rude about it and call everyone interested in it a "pokemon collector". It's ignorant to assume someone's mentality.

Further, my point was to all those people who dislike seeing all those morphs at shows to stop whining about it on the internet and just do something about it.

For example, I wanted to see more rough scale sand boas so I went and bought a few pairs. I didn't complain that I didn't see any. I found them and bought them.

Whatever man, I'm done arguing with you. You are full of lies.

I claimed to not want change? Back pedal? No I want change, I'd like to see change. It's just so minor and trivial. It's not worth it!

get this through your skull^. It's just a complaint I make during conversation like a salty meal. " This is a bit salty". I still eat the plate!



Ah I see. So the reason you're being annoying is because you are butthurt over the collector's item comment. You have no real reason to argue other than being personally hurt. Well I'm sorry and I apologize. I can see why you were doing nothing but ad-hominem attacks this whole time. It was kind of a "get back at me" kind of thing. It's okay you won. Happy? I'm not going to keep my opinion to myself. That's what this thread is about. Discussion. If you get butt-hurt not my problem. Grow some thicker skin.


edit: where did you get pokemon? LOL

[formica]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

My point is simple. People came to this thread and belittled MY hobby. I defended it.

and FYI this "discussion" has been going on for YEARS. When does action occur?

Here are two instances where I was involved in the discussion. You can stop trying to paint me in one particular light that you see me in.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/900946-post39.html

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/900945-post38.html

I await my apology for lying about me and my participation in the discussion.

neither of those links are about this topic.

this is not YOUR hobby, it is all of ours, and nothing ever progresses without criticism, i dont see why you feel the need to take it personally and then attack everyone who points out things which need to be pointed out....because currently, people are happy to just forget those problems exist. Its really no wonder there are so many direct action and lobby groups attacking OUR hobby.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by formica

neither of those links are about this topic.

this is not YOUR hobby, it is all of ours, and nothing ever progresses without criticism, i dont see why you feel the need to take it personally and then attack everyone who points out things which need to be pointed out....because currently, people are happy to just forget those problems exist. Its really no wonder there are so many direct action and lobby groups attacking OUR hobby.

It's alright, there's no need to continue this. This back and forth started from him feeling personally attacked at people criticizing the ball python morph craze. Whatever you or I say will not make him stop. I've tried to make him understand that the point of my statements were to just express my opinions but apparently he felt attacked and wants me to feel bad for not "doing anything about it".

He labels it "complaining, "whining", "lazy" when I'm just expressing my thoughts on a thread.