Ball python pairing ideas!

killercandy15 · 09-23-17, 02:25 PM

Hey people fall is starting. Breeding season is nearing. And I just got a bunch of ball pythons. Never bred them before so hoping all goes well. Just looking to see what pairings people think would be cool with what I have.

Males
Superblast
GHI (might be a little small to breed, and haven't tried to find sperm plugs)
Goldblush Mojave
Pastel pied
Pastel clown (also a little small)
Banana (same again he's a bit small so would need to check for plugs)

Females ready to breed in size
Het pied
Het albino
Pastel special
Queenbee
Killerbee
Pied
Butter crystal BEL (on the small side of all in the list)
Cinnamon enchi
Lemonblast
Pastel het TSK axanthic
Black pastel het pied (same size as BEL)

**Aaron_S** · 09-23-17, 06:24 PM

Well what do you think would be cool?

Albert Clark · 09-24-17, 12:54 AM

You have quite the collection there but you should breed what you want and desire. That is more important than what other people think. All of them are winners starting with the nice array of pied combos that you have. Good luck.

Monocled Guy · 09-24-17, 11:35 AM

GHI x Pied would be cool.

killercandy15 · 09-24-17, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

You have quite the collection there but you should breed what you want and desire. That is more important than what other people think. All of them are winners starting with the nice array of pied combos that you have. Good luck.

I do get that. And I definitely want to put the pied individuals together and I'm hoping to pick up another pied combo with another gene at the Sacramento reptile show this upcoming weekend. I've just never really dealt with ball pythons before so was hoping input on what people like too.

**Aaron_S** · 09-26-17, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by killercandy15

Hey people fall is starting. Breeding season is nearing. And I just got a bunch of ball pythons. Never bred them before so hoping all goes well. Just looking to see what pairings people think would be cool with what I have.

Males
Superblast
GHI (might be a little small to breed, and haven't tried to find sperm plugs)
Goldblush Mojave
Pastel pied
Pastel clown (also a little small)
Banana (same again he's a bit small so would need to check for plugs)

Females ready to breed in size
Het pied
Het albino
Pastel special
Queenbee
Killerbee
Pied
Butter crystal BEL (on the small side of all in the list)
Cinnamon enchi
Lemonblast
Pastel het TSK axanthic
Black pastel het pied (same size as BEL)

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Originally Posted by killercandy15

I do get that. And I definitely want to put the pied individuals together and I'm hoping to pick up another pied combo with another gene at the Sacramento reptile show this upcoming weekend. I've just never really dealt with ball pythons before so was hoping input on what people like too.

People like:

Pieds
BEL's
Clowns
GHI
Banana

Nobody cares about:

Pastel
Pinstripe
Super pastel
Axanthic

You are extremely heavy on males

Scubadiver59 · 09-26-17, 01:41 PM

Are Balls that attractive as a selling item? I have one, and I don't want any more as I'm trying to diversify my species, and it seems to me that the market is really saturated, even with the minority morphs that cost way too much for a snake I look at like a "pet rock" as some are want to call it.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the where one would go with these.

Krj-2501 · 09-27-17, 01:07 AM

I would say - the following pairing should give some nice babies.

Pastel Pied male - with the het pied/pied females. - for some het pieds/pied babies.

Goldblush Mojave male - with Butter Crystal BEL female. For some possible BEL babies.

Banana male - with Lemonblast Female.

GHI male - with Cinnamon enchi female.

**Aaron_S** · 09-27-17, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scubadiver59

Are Balls that attractive as a selling item? I have one, and I don't want any more as I'm trying to diversify my species, and it seems to me that the market is really saturated, even with the minority morphs that cost way too much for a snake I look at like a "pet rock" as some are want to call it.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the where one would go with these.

I put it this way, if they didn't sell would you still see so many available?

Scubadiver59 · 09-27-17, 10:10 AM

Just seems like there's a glut in the market, and what I see locally, in Craigslist, with everyone trying to dump theirs, it doesn't seem like there are that many out there wanting to buy them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I put it this way, if they didn't sell would you still
see so many available?

killercandy15 · 09-27-17, 10:28 AM

Yeah I got into ball pythons on a whim. I only paid $500 for 3 freedom breeder racks and all the snakes. However locally where I am is pretty rural and expensive to get stuff in. And it's a college town next door. So there's a huge market for morphs of any snakes since they are one of few animals allowed as pets in the dorms. I favor carpet pythons over all else. I love the personality variance but for breeding unfortunately many people struggle with not enjoying them as babies since they are nippy babies.

Scubadiver59 · 09-27-17, 10:37 AM

I picked up a 6yr old a few months ago and him and I have an understanding--he doesn't bother me w/o food and I respect his privacy. Now, I have a juvenile Zebra JCP and he was fine the first day, and when I put him in a temp tub the other day; but last night, when I moved him into a 20gal temp viv, until I can get him in a 40gal, he looked a little testy. Time will tell with him but I hope he turns out a bit better then his big brother.

Quote:

Originally Posted by killercandy15

Yeah I got into ball pythons on a whim. I only paid $500 for 3 freedom breeder racks and all the snakes. However locally where I am is pretty rural and expensive to get stuff in. And it's a college town next door. So there's a huge market for morphs of any snakes since they are one of few animals allowed as pets in the dorms. I favor carpet pythons over all else. I love the personality variance but for breeding unfortunately many people struggle with not enjoying them as babies since they are nippy babies.

**Aaron_S** · 09-27-17, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scubadiver59

Just seems like there's a glut in the market, and what I see locally, in Craigslist, with everyone trying to dump theirs, it doesn't seem like there are that many out there wanting to buy them.

So I have friends who produce hundreds and into the thousands of ball pythons a year. A lot are shipped off to wholesalers who sell to pet stores because it's a massive demand on the pet level.

A lot are are then shipped overseas, particularly Asia, where the high end stuff is bought up quickly and in large amounts.

So yes, there's still a demand. It might be better to believe there's a "refined" demand because some morphs just aren't popular as they once were and you'd have a hard time selling them...like genetic stripe.

Scubadiver59 · 09-27-17, 11:22 AM

Sounds just like the puppy mills...no difference...and we all know what we think about those!

I also wonder how many "cute" juvenile wholesale snakes end up back on the market once people see how big they get? Not in length, or "bitey", and nothing like Retics, but just because of the size the buyers weren't expecting since the buyers didn't do their homework. Then there's the food procurement, etc., etc., etc.

And shipped overseas? Snake burgers or kabobs? We know what the Chinese do to dogs...in the thousands!

Meh, just sounding off as I clean my cages today and decided to climb up on the soap box...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So I have friends who produce hundreds and into the thousands of ball pythons a year. A lot are shipped off to wholesalers who sell to pet stores because it's a massive demand on the pet level.

A lot are are then shipped overseas, particularly Asia, where the high end stuff is bought up quickly and in large amounts.

So yes, there's still a demand. It might be better to believe there's a "refined" demand because some morphs just aren't popular as they once were and you'd have a hard time selling them...like genetic stripe.

**Aaron_S** · 09-28-17, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scubadiver59

Sounds just like the puppy mills...no difference...and we all know what we think about those!

I also wonder how many "cute" juvenile wholesale snakes end up back on the market once people see how big they get? Not in length, or "bitey", and nothing like Retics, but just because of the size the buyers weren't expecting since the buyers didn't do their homework. Then there's the food procurement, etc., etc., etc.

And shipped overseas? Snake burgers or kabobs? We know what the Chinese do to dogs...in the thousands!

Meh, just sounding off as I clean my cages today and decided to climb up on the soap box...

If you have so much disdain for the industry why do you keep any animals and so many? Why do you put ANY money into the hobby? Why participate if you hate everything that makes it go round?