Reptillian Theories

**Aaron_S** · 11-21-12, 09:30 AM

So this is a continuation from another thread. Post your debated topics of reptillian theories here. Post links or citations to prove, or disprove other theories.

Do they love, feel as we do? Let's find out.

KORBIN5895 · 11-21-12, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So this is a continuation from another thread. Post your debated topics of reptillian theories here. Post links or citations to prove, or disprove other theories.

Do the love, feel as we do? Let's find out.

Fix that. Dexter must've had you up real late last night.

My theory is snakes bite because they are angry by their lack of arms and hands.

infernalis · 11-21-12, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So this is a continuation from another thread. Post your debated topics of reptillian theories here. Post links or citations to prove, or disprove other theories.

Do they love, feel as we do? Let's find out.

Doubt it, put one on the ground, call it's name... does it even look back?? nope.

will they consume their own babies?? most will, and never give it a thought.

Will0W783 · 11-21-12, 10:05 AM

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put one on the ground, call it's name... does it even look back??

Snakes are deaf to airborne sounds, aren't they? They have no external ears.

I do not think they can "love" or even form real bonds like a dog or cat would. They can, however, learn that we are not a threat and be calm around us. I have heard of people who own king cobras for years, and the snake follows them around or sits quietly with them. I personally would not risk it...it's still an instinct-driven creature.

infernalis · 11-21-12, 10:08 AM

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Snakes are deaf to airborne sounds, aren't they? They have no external ears.

I do not think they can "love" or even form real bonds like a dog or cat would. They can, however, learn that we are not a threat and be calm around us. I have heard of people who own king cobras for years, and the snake follows them around or sits quietly with them. I personally would not risk it...it's still an instinct-driven creature.

I was not narrowing my scope to just snakes. I know of people who lost lizards that took off running the second they saw the chance at freedom.

TragicTaste · 11-21-12, 10:20 AM

To all who do read this and still disagree with everyones experience, because "your reptile is different than others", leave your cage open over night, and see if your buddy is still waitin to be played with in the morning.

Lankyrob · 11-21-12, 10:24 AM

Reptiles in general are instinct driven. I do believe that lizards are much more intelligent than snakes and can apply some logic and reason to their actions and also form a bond of sorts with their keeper.

I will try to find a link to a program i saw that showed a monitor lizard picking the right colour box in order to get food....... Watchthis space

Quick search found this http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/NH.pdf but not found the documentsry yet

jarich · 11-21-12, 10:45 AM

I think you seem to have missed that second part of Aaron's post, where he called for citation. Thank you Rob for at least a cursory search.

Now then, to dispel the conjectural 'evidence' so far presented simply replace the word "snake" or "reptile" with "2 year old child".

**Aaron_S** · 11-21-12, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jarich

I think you seem to have missed that second part of Aaron's post, where he called for citation. Thank you Rob for at least a cursory search.

Now then, to dispel the conjectural 'evidence' so far presented simply replace the word "snake" or "reptile" with "2 year old child".

Do you have kids?

I think the problem with your idea of using a 2 year old child as an example of mental capacity is simply that a child can and does learn. A snake does not develop further.

Also, I have a 5 year old daughter. When she was 2 I could tell her to stay in the living room with her toys while I jumped in the shower for 3 - 5 minutes. She'd listen. A reptile, would not.

jarich · 11-21-12, 11:08 AM

Ok then replace it with "16 year old child" then.

My point was that this is again nothing more than conjecture and proves nothing other than opinions.

And yes, I have children.

Falconeer999 · 11-21-12, 11:10 AM

If anyone has a medical/biology degree, there are probably some insights in here. They didn't teach this stuff in law school so I have no idea what any of it really says.

Reptile Brain Research -- Neurotransmitter.net

infernalis · 11-21-12, 11:13 AM

All testing done by actual doctors are intelligence testing. I know of no testing for bonding or love.

However, there is always one exception to every rule, There is a species of lizard in Australia that pair bonds for life with a single partner.

I would love to cite something, and believe me, with Varanids on the higher order of the intelligence scale, there would be something available about "emotions" but I have never heard of it.

**millertime89** · 11-21-12, 01:11 PM

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Ok then replace it with "16 year old child" then.

My point was that this is again nothing more than conjecture and proves nothing other than opinions.

And yes, I have children.

I dunno if a 16 year old would be any better...

mykee · 11-21-12, 01:41 PM

I prefer to think that my snakes are emotionless because it's easier for me to toss them in the freezer when they get the sniffles.

MDT · 11-21-12, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Falconeer999

If anyone has a medical/biology degree, there are probably some insights in here. They didn't teach this stuff in law school so I have no idea what any of it really says.

Reptile Brain Research -- Neurotransmitter.net

I went to med school and I still don't know what it says....

That being said, snakes operate on a very basic "emotional" level...."can I eat it/get warm by it/breed with it?" I'm pretty sure there is zero about "wow, I really love my owner".