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12-29-04, 06:00 PM
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#121
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Lets put it like this Marisa:
Say you eat five stakes over the period of a week. You think its right as you dont take the time to think about the living creature you murdered for food. (Exactly how the croc feels towards eating humans).
Would you like to be murdered for doing what comes natural in your mind? Im sure the answer is no.
The animal ate 5 humans, we eat billions of animals and the animal is the one doing the wrong?
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12-29-04, 06:07 PM
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#122
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Rikki what you are saying is not WRONG.
The problem is it's not REALISTIC! It's not a WORKING theory for these people.
Again it's difficult to talk to people about this when they compare an immediate danger in a poor uneducated community to eating burgers in comfy North America who are raised for that purpose.
Here is one interesting link for those who think he should have simple been trapped and moved locally (as internation relocation is OBVIOUSLY a non-realistic choice)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...etracking.html
Enjoy,
Marisa
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12-29-04, 06:13 PM
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#123
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I understand what you are saying Marisa, the people are not well educated in such situations as you sait above. Im just saying that there is no excuse for the murder of animal for doing what comes natural, the same for murdering a person because you eat an animal.
Lets drop the subject, its getting us know where.
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12-29-04, 06:36 PM
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#124
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Location: Outside of Austin Texas
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Actually, any problematic alligators 4'+ are killed. In this case, the alligator would have been killed just for looking at a person wrong. Alligators are only relocated when it is in unsuitable habitats and most of the time they wind up in farms.
And thanks Marisa, that's why I said relocation wouldn't work. Zane
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12-29-04, 06:48 PM
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#125
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There are placed who accepte large alligators, incase in Little Rock arkansas they have alligators in there wildlife reserve over 14'! Relocating a croc to a larger lake would be no problem. But the people did not think before they acted. In both cases its just wrong.
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12-29-04, 07:00 PM
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#126
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"Relocating a croc to a larger lake would be no problem"
LOL! Seriously? "No problem"
If you really believe moving this croc from SOUTH AMERICA (oir ANY other country) to another country (not to mention catching this beast and transporting it) by poor villagers in an uneducated country would be "No problem" I can definitly see why this conversation is going no where.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 07:06 PM
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#127
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The 4ft law only applies in northern america, theres no law against taking in a croc or relocating if this croc is that size in SA. If you cant relocate a cerial killer we dont just murder the person on the spot. Same should go for animals.
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12-29-04, 07:09 PM
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#128
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Your logic, and realisim are akin to your thoughts on PETA in another thread Rikki. That's not an insult either. It's simply you seem to go "gung ho" about things that simply do not work in the real world.
My answer here is the same as there, you need to do a little more research on what's realistic and what isn't.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 07:10 PM
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#129
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This page gives a TINY insight to moving a large croc.
http://www.reptile-gardens.com/maniac.html
These people also had money, and had the permits in advance. Something that is UNREALISTIC to expect from some normal everyday people living in poor areas with no access to money, parks or permits.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 07:10 PM
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#130
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We are right to our own opinions, I simply do not think you should murder an animal for acting natural. Im leaving this thread, its pointless.
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12-29-04, 07:31 PM
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#131
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Location: Outside of Austin Texas
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Why is a Nile Crocodile in SA?
The rescue in AR do not take in animals that have attacked people.
In SA, relocating Orinoco crocodiles would take weeks of planning and permitting, just like it would with Niles. Also, just for the record, the rules for Orinoco crocodiles are far more strict than dealing with Niles and relocating them is in fact illegal without proper paperwork, as well as taking them in.
Zane
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12-29-04, 08:05 PM
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#132
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One last comment (lol):
So your saying if its too much work, just kill it so it because its easier? thats not right.
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12-29-04, 09:29 PM
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#133
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how many ppl argueing the fact that it shouldnt be killed agree in the death penatly... and for everyone that says they dont believe in it i have another ?... have you ever tried to argue with it, make a stand....
alot of ppl see it fit to kill a human whoes done rong but dont see it fit for an animal... whats with that...
personally im all for it... you may see it as right or rong but if anything ever happened to anyone i love i wouldnt just sit back and let it happen... id be doin something about it...
should the crock have been killed, in a perfect world no... if it did something to someone i loved id be the one pullin the trigger... i dont care wether your human or animal...
in alot of tribe or group type animals if you attempted to harm one the others would defend ( i believe i heard this for gorillas and wild dogs) ... its the same thing with humans...
sorry about the spelling im really really tiered
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12-29-04, 10:36 PM
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#134
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When humans kill they know what they are doing, animals dont.
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12-29-04, 11:07 PM
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#135
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Rikki your wrong animals make choices on what they will attack and what they wont, they are more intelligent then many think and dumber the other seem to think. The reason most animals don't attack humans is the same reason mice don't attack cats ! They fear them because they are higher on the food chain. Rikki you are a predator just like all humans are . We were born that way and though you may try to deign it you are. It is hard to have decussions like this with Animal rights activist, because most lack any real knowledge of animals and have this idea that they just some how know! and their over all unwillingness to see the real world. I'm not trying to insult you here just talking about my observations. I've talked to many Activist and visited most of the larger organizations web sites. Little truth or reality to be found with either.
I think most if not all of us here feel bad that the Croc had to be destroyed but what was done was reasonable a killer was destroyed. You can go on about how they could have moved it or whatever . This wasn't some fuzzy stuffed croc or a sweet little cartoon deer this was a living Monster. You can say what you will but I know in my heart just as you know in yours that if this crock had ahold of your mom or dad and was dragging them under you'd kill it in a heart beat to save them and I would hope you'd do the same no matter who it was trying to kill in order to save them.
We can wish and hope and say what we want but when it comes down to it human life is valuable above all others. Some seem to forget this and some choose to ignore this but to most reasoning humans this is a Truth!
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