PITBULL ban is happening today

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by spidergecko
I would love to hear the answer to this.

Chalk one up for YES.. I believe in the other thread 2 or 3 people mentioned that they would also do so...

And lets not kid ourselves. So many people buy pitbulls just because of the reputation these dogs have in the first place. Ive lost count of how many thug wannabees Ive seen out there walking their pitbulls. Put something in a rap video and the kids will buy it. This includes dogs.

The same can be said for Reptiles.. As we saw the other day with someone posting that they wanted a snake so they could see it 'choke' something to death.. I do agree with your statement 100% though BAZ..

[RepTylE]

I tried to make the point that it is important that all of us as reptile enthusiasts create and maintain a good image. incidents can happen with reptiles as easily as other animals.... a cute bunny can bite a child and draw blood (see how a parent reacts to something like that). People are easily panicked and when they panic you know what can happen. Another point is that alot of people have an instinctive or learned fear of reptiles. That is as big a strike against them as a pitbull's reputation.
I expressed the fear that one day on a provincewide basis that herp bans could be implemented. The precident of a province wide ban has been set, lets hope that the lawmakers don't get too overzealous.

[beagle]

A province wide herp ban can be implemented very easily on herps. It all starts with communities starting first, just like the pitbulls. Lots of communities have banned herps, and some new ones even did this year.

[RFB]

So how many of you Pitbull owners actually lobbied to have, what you term sensible laws concerning the breed, put in place? Whining and screaming about it after the fact is pretty useless. You have to be proactive, not reactive when it comes to legislation. Ottawa did an excellent job of lobbying city government to enact reasonable legislation concerning Herps. True they didn't get everything thery wanted, but our hobby is still alive and well here. I don't think there will ever be a blanket ban on Herps in Canada. But if they want to ban species such as poisoness snakes and crocodilians thats OK by me. The vaste majority of people aren't qualified to keep them anyway.

Lastly, one major difference between Herps and pitbulls is that Pitbulls are constantly out in suburban environments where they are exposed to the general public. Unless you count the idiots who walk around with their snakes coiled around their necks the same can't be said for Herps. Big difference.

[beagle]

I for one would stick up for resonable laws on pitties and it's not just pitties but alot of large breed dogs that are going to be on there. Irresonsible owners ruined it for owners of pitbulls so something had to be done,....just not a ban like that. It is very invasive. I am sure there are going to be lobbies and everything else to try to change this. I know were I live here we are going to be sending letters with signatures of vets and proffesionals to the MP and whoever else.
As for reptiles I lose count of how many people actually lose them every year and a snake doesn't have to attack someone to be threatening. All it has to do is show up and scare the s*** out of a someone. We have an alright ban on snakes were I live only in residetial due to the fact that a cougar someone was keeping got out a few times...... a cougar.......not a snake that got snakes banned.

[Matt_K]

The laws they're lobbying for are what??

All Dogs must be spayed/neutered - Mine already is.. AND She's registered and microchipped..
Muzzle at all times - Getting my muzzle tomorrow..
ALWAYS on a leash - goes without saying around here.. My dog is ALWAYS on a leash when outside of our FENCED yard..

And they're thinking about not allowing them in public parks.. - No public parks up here..

Am I missing anything?? Please let me know if I am..

[Tim and Julie B]

If any of my dogs ever showed any aggressision toward ANYONE and it led to an unprovoked bite, I would definately put it down. Like I said, I don't own them for "reputation", I have them becuase they are good dogs that needed good homes. A place where they will always be well cared for, loved and never misjudged. Anyone supporting a breed ban shouldn't have any dogs at all. Either you like animals or you don't. By saying you agree to bans is very much like saying you don't think dogs should/could be good pets. One dog is just like another, whether they are different breeds or sizes. If a dog is going to attack to kill something then it will, and ANY dog can do this. Anyone willing to do the research will very quickly discover that.

We need laws to protect our animals, not to destroy them. If a dog does something irrefutably wrong, put it down, but don't place blame where it does not belong (on good dogs).

Julie

[Tim and Julie B]

www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

I cannot copy and paste this info, but please read It gives a wonderful breed description, and very clearly states that these dogs are great family pets. It comes down to who owns them, not the breed itself.
Thanks,

Julie

[herpslave]

well considering there is so many pages I will say some thing that probably is close to what alot of others said. Ok, I have been around pit bulls since I was not even a year old. All way larger then I was. A couple I have played with that were "MEAN DOGS" never ate me, killed me, attempted, or even bit me. The only reason i have been bitten by a dog is because I stepped on a large strays foot we took in once. I mean my god, My pohmeranian was more aggressive than the mean pits I have been around... The pohmeranian even scarred me in the leg, ear, and arm multiple times... It's not the breed. It's the overall attitude of the dog. Which of coarse at most times can be changed from bad to good. And some can't.

[Kimo]

I support strict laws regarding, the maintaining of ALL DOGS, American PitBull Terriers Included, however, i am not about to remove the testicles, of my champion line bred Dog, to appease the public, once removed, my dog may never enter into any competition that recognizes my breed again, (and he has been in shows) wich is hurtful to the breed in its own way, removing the superior stock from the gene pool. to quote a respectable website "Punish The Deed, Not The Breed"

Josh

P.s. Refer to my quote below...

[Shad0w]

LOL... okay.. I dont know what ya meant to show with that link Julie.. but it clearly states they are:

"a dog of power"
"house the powerful jaws"
"extremely strong for his size"
"not recommended for most people."
"can be willful and needs a firm hand"
" it will fight an enemy to the death"
"Originally used as fighting dogs"
"may go for the throat of strange dogs"
"Socialize very thoroughly when young to combat aggressive tendencies"
"fighting instinct in the breed"

Most people would say these things favour an all out ban...

Sure does not sound like a good AVERAGE family pet...
Not many pepople would be willing to do what it takes to properly keep these dogs.. hence.. the ban is appropriate...

In fact.. this article makes them sound down right dangerous in the WRONG HANDS

People could keep wolves if they wanted to.. but would they make good AVERAGE family pets?

[Tim and Julie B]

Love how you only copied the "negative stuff. How ignorant, when there is far more paositve then negative on the actual site!
It even says that they make great family pets.

(what was so "elegantly" left out)-

*by no means are these dogs people-haters or people-eaters
*the american pit bull terrier is a good natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet, which is good with children and adults
*it is usually very friendly, but has an uncanny ability to know when it needs to protect and when everything is okay
*excellent with children in the family, they have ahigh pain tolerance and will happily put up with rough childplay
*as with ANY breed they should not be left alone with unfamiliar children
*a minimum of training will produce a tranquil, obidient dog
*when properly trained and socialized, this is a very good dog an a great family companion



Here's another one.
http://www.terrificpets.com/dog%5Fbr...ll_terrier.asp

[Kimo]

Tim and julie such is the way of fear, and hate mongers, they are ignorant of things, they dont care to know, look at Hitler for example, he pushed for the mass extermination of the jews, because he felt they were an inferior "Human" hey...wait a ticky.... doesn't this sound framiliar? what a coincidence!!!

[Shad0w]

Hey.. its not ignorant...
Im pointing out the fact that they are not GOOD family pets for the AVERAGE FAMILY...

COMMON now... if you wanna look at it.. look at both sides...

There are allot of SERIOUS negative issues... keep those blinders on... I would say ignoring those issues and not discussing them is ignorance...

This issue is getting old... SAY BYE BYE... the ban is here... the issue is over... people in general (excluding you responsible owners) were too stupid to realize it... so the govt did its job to protect the public...

Besides... what about the hybrids.... COMPLETELY unpredictable.... GIVE ME A BREAK!

Like i said before.. until you've been mauled by one... or witnessed one..... u have no idea...

I cannot believe some of you would actually put a dog before the public's safety....

HONESTLY... some of you gotta get out more...
They are DOGS... sure they may be your companion... but they are not people...

[Shad0w]

Okay...

Was I just called a hate monger?.... are you implying Im anti semetic???

JEZUS...Hitler???
THESE ARE DOGS PEOPLE....

Look at the good and the bad... dont put the blinders on to the bad characteristics...
Discuss them!
They are serious concerns, esp in the wrong hands or with hybrids...