Turbine eating in the air.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by MDT

you must have quite the collection of pointless pictures, or alot of free googling timee

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Thats great. Saving pic now

Saved it aswell.
MDT funny pic, as usual.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by Ks42

you must have quite the collection of pointless pictures, or alot of free googling timee

What can I say? It's a gift....

[Terranaut]

Well after reading all of yesterdays posts here is what I have concluded.....
1) Feeding in the enclosure or in a tub is one of those endless debates that waste page after page of reading.
2) Ks42 never mentioned what pet store they work at even after being asked.
3) Baking substrate.....whatever. My opinion is a waste of time but see #1
4) Ks42 never mentioned what large snakes they were talking about or how large.
5) Saying you work at a pet store 99% of the time is like telling people you work the counter at a drug store so sure I can remove your appendix.
6) We have yet another thread where the new person is way out there preaching BS based on personal experiences and not facts.
7) I won't be baking my substrate or feeding using a separate tub.
8) This thread is way off topic now but who cares as the original topic was a waste of cyber space anyway.
9) I knew I didn't read it yesterday for a reason.
10) Maybe it's time for popcorn.

[dbank999]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Well after reading all of yesterdays posts here is what I have concluded.....
1) Feeding in the enclosure or in a tub is one of those endless debates that waste page after page of reading.
2) Ks42 never mentioned what pet store they work at even after being asked.
3) Baking substrate.....whatever. My opinion is a waste of time but see #1
4) Ks42 never mentioned what large snakes they were talking about or how large.
5) Saying you work at a pet store 99% of the time is like telling people you work the counter at a drug store so sure I can remove your appendix.
6) We have yet another thread where the new person is way out there preaching BS based on personal experiences and not facts.
7) I won't be baking my substrate or feeding using a separate tub.
8) This thread is way off topic now but who cares as the original topic was a waste of cyber space anyway.
9) I knew I didn't read it yesterday for a reason.
10) Maybe it's time for popcorn.

Preach!

No feeding tubs.

And I agree with Aaron. I think there's only one enclosure for the two snakes.

[KORBIN5895]

Ks42...... Wow. Do you have any working knowledge of what you are talking about? Immunity to spores????? Respiratory infections caused by spores? Reading your posts leads me to believe you are either A) 14 years old or B) "ignorent" as you would say.

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Ks42...... Wow. Do you have any working knowledge of what you are talking about? Immunity to spores????? Respiratory infections caused by spores? Reading your posts leads me to believe you are either A) 14 years old or B) "ignorent" as you would say.

Or both. When someone says to me they work with large snakes I figure they either don't actually or consider an adult female ball to be a large snake. If someone says they work with Retics and Annies , I know they actually have worked with "large snakes". Herpers generally use species names to identify people with their experience and do not refer to them as "large snakes".
Also first saying a friend who owns a pet store ,to I work at a pet store. Strange indeed and people who work at pet stores know you tell a customer to bake their substrate so you have no responsibility associated with anything growing in peoples enclosures...."Did you bake your substrate first?" No " Awe sorry man , nothing I can do".

Be who you are.
Don't exaggerate your experience level.
Don't call people ignorant for finding holes in your stories or faults in your practices.


Discuss.
Learn.
Help others.

That's how this all works here.

[Will0W783]

Good grief, Ks42's spelling/grammatical errors make my brain hurt. I feel the need to chime in on the whole substrate fungus issue.
If you are using the wrong kind of substrate for the species' humidity level, then yes mold might be an issue. Visible fungus growing on substrate is definitely not healthy for a snake, but if you are maintaining proper humidity levels and using an appropriate substrate, this should not happen. I use aspen only for snakes that do not need misting or extra humidity, and I change it every two months. For higher humidity species, I use only cypress mulch, which will not mold. Cypress trees grow in swamps and marshes, so the bark is very resistant to fungal growth.

In the wild, snakes are going to come into contact with all kinds of bacteria, fungi and other germs. They can move to escape, or use their immune system to combat the threat. In captivity, they are limited to what space we provide them, so it is up to us to keep it clean. These animals do have immune systems, but a filthy environment will overwhelm them. That being said, I keep mainly rare arboreal pitvipers, and I don't ever bake substrate. The majority of my animals were imported (they are mostly LTC, but I have a few fresher imports) and I am working to establish clean, healthy CBB bloodlines. These are animals that were in the wild at one point, but have acclimated to captivity. I don't provide a sterile environment, and in fact I think it would be less healthy to do so. I do, however, provide a clean enclosure, clean up waste products, change substrate several times a year and ensure no visible mold is growing.

That's all you need to do. I feed all my animals inside their enclosures; I do not worry about substrate ingestion, or spores, or anything really. They're snakes; I provide as natural an environment as I can and let them do their thing.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Ks42

not once have i chastising what so ever, simply stating my opinion, i feed them in seperatre enclosures to reduce the chance ofhostility as wekk as imcation ,it maybe uncommen, but not unheard of, can you justify feeding in the encloser? better safe then sorry is my motto and nothig but the best for my snakes, id hate to come back to a feeding and see my snake wth a mouthfull of bedding, once again, not commen but not unherd of.
if you dont want to feed in a seperate enclosure then thats your choise,. once agina, since times not the reason you feed outside the cage, can you justify the fact you dont?

If it is better to be safe than sorry then why do you take the risk with feeding live prey to your snakes? Surely a bite or three from a rodent is worse than a bit of substrate ingestion?

Originally Posted by MDT

Dude...just....wow.


Btw...I'll be 48 in 2 weeks. I might get it then
Or then again, I may just be too old.

Yep, too old

[Will0W783]

I can surely justify feeding inside the animals' enclosures. Their enclosure is their territory, their space; it is the only location they have to feel safe and secure and feeding in the home enclosure reduces stress on the animal. This is especially true for arboreal species and ambush predators. These animals remain in a small area even in the wild, and moving them to a barren empty tub for feeding can just create more stress.

[MrGetLifted]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Thats great. Saving pic now

Had to save this pic aswell lol. Could be useful in the future lol.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Donnie

If it is better to be safe than sorry then why do you take the risk with feeding live prey to your snakes? Surely a bite or three from a rodent is worse than a bit of substrate ingestion?



Yep, too old

i dont feed live, sorry if i gave that impretion,

[MrGetLifted]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Thats great. Saving pic now

Had to save this pic aswell lol. Could be useful in the future lol.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Ks42

i dont feed live, sorry if i gave that impretion,

NP, I misread this quote below which is why I asked

Originally Posted by Ks42

calm as a cucumber,
to adress the question, an empty enclosure allows you to fully view both the snake aswell as the live food allowing no where for them to dig under substrate or hide out of view,, keeping a close eye on live feeding so you dont end up with your snake becoming rat food,

to adress the fozen feeding topic, this is for the people who have the issue with there snake possibly consuming there substraight,which if youre using the proper bedding then it shouldnt be a problem, i have herd stories that other keepers snakes have injested bedding thus "causing" death,

its not uncommen for substraight or bedding to cantain FM *foreign material* such as plant seeds, fungi spors and in one case i am rather familiar with, spider/fly eggs. so baking your bedding befor using it is very much encouraged.