I want to get a berm any info would be great - Page 7

Pueblo · 04-27-12, 07:49 AM

dogs and cats turn on there owners all the time so do pet rodents and birds i even know a guy who got attacked by his fish. nobody has mentioned mental illness like altimers as animals get older there brains and organs and muscle tissue break down just like all life forms. there fore why wouldnt they forget that you.ve had them since birth or all the great days you took them out and watched tv with them in your lap. and in the wild they eat what they want when they can catch it. but in captivty they have to wait seven days or two weeks or when ever we feel a good time for them is to eat.

Pueblo · 04-27-12, 07:55 AM

we may have a million good days with our animals but they have feelings to and why should they not be allowed to feel sick or have a tummy ach. also maybe they just really want to sleep in but they can't tell us they dont want to get up. and when they are shedding and they cant see as good and there old skin is itching them like crazy and we want to handle them. maybe we get away with it a thousand times but one day will come and you probably wont be ready for it. ive never had my day yet but i have had some near misses and the bigger the mouth and the larger the teeth the more happy i am not to get bitten by them on a bad day.

Pueblo · 04-27-12, 08:04 AM

if a large snake like a burm or a boa or ritic bite you there teeth are digging into your flesh and they grip hard. and how many of us are able to not jerk our arm or face away from being stuck in that kind of grip. so you jerk your face or arm away and this causes your flesh to rip and more damage to be done. they recomend you dont do this that you wait for the snake to release you and the damage will be less but in the spur of the moment who has that kind of controll. theres somthing to think about. and trust me when i watch tv with my wife and my large female boa once and a while i think about those things. and remember to show my big sanke some respect. and as for my wife shes been well informed of how bad a big snake can be but she still loves ours anyways.we cant help but love her and we pray the day never comes that she gets the better of us.

Pueblo · 04-27-12, 08:05 AM

my last post i spelled sanke but i ment snake

exwizard · 04-27-12, 09:37 AM

Funny thing is I have such a disdain for debates yet I keep finding myself in them. It really doesn't matter to me what I people think. I just need to let things be.

Norm66 · 04-27-12, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

Funny thing is I have such a disdain for debates yet I keep finding myself in them. It really doesn't matter to me what I people think. I just need to let things be.

If there's one thing I've learned on the internet in general and on this site in particular is that no matter what you argue, which side of whatever debate you're on, no minds will be changed.

FWIW, I really don't think that Burms, retics etc. are really in the same class of dangerous as large apes, lions, tigers, bears etc. and feel strongly that they should be dealt with separately even though I agree, CB or wild caught they're still potentially dangerous animals and must be treated with the same respect as a weapon.

As for the difference between wild and domestic, I do think that captive raised wild animals are a distinct sub-group sort of between the two. Depends on the animal in question which end of the temperment they fall on, but it seems to be common knowledge that CBB snakes in general have better temperments than their wild-caught counterparts. Of course they should still be treated with the utmost respect for the damage they can do I'm just saying the number of dangerous incidents is likely less with cbb than with w/c.

**millertime89** · 04-27-12, 11:00 AM

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This is something I agree with completely. Put anything in an corner or injure it and the tell me how domestic it is.

Sorry to derail the thread but maybe Chuck, Kyle or Stephan can give Pueblo some advice or pointers on Burms or giants in general. Again sorry to interrupt.

I agree completely as well. We're inherently instinctual beings. Fight or flight? Breeding? There's a reason as a population we're getting fat, throughout our history there have been food shortages so we eat whenever food is available to store up for times of shortage, guess what? In the US, those times are pretty much nonexistent for the majority.

I said my piece about burms earlier, I'll post again if the OP has more questions.

exwizard · 04-27-12, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm66

If there's one thing I've learned on the internet in general and on this site in particular is that no matter what you argue, which side of whatever debate you're on, no minds will be changed.

FWIW, I really don't think that Burms, retics etc. are really in the same class of dangerous as large apes, lions, tigers, bears etc. and feel strongly that they should be dealt with separately even though I agree, CB or wild caught they're still potentially dangerous animals and must be treated with the same respect as a weapon.

As for the difference between wild and domestic, I do think that captive raised wild animals are a distinct sub-group sort of between the two. Depends on the animal in question which end of the temperment they fall on, but it seems to be common knowledge that CBB snakes in general have better temperments than their wild-caught counterparts. Of course they should still be treated with the utmost respect for the damage they can dom I'm just saying the number of dangerous incidents is likely less with cbb than with w/c.

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I agree completely as well. We're inherently instinctual beings. Fight or flight? Breeding? There's a reason as a population we're getting fat, throughout our history there have been food shortages so we eat whenever food is available to store up for times of shortage, guess what? In the US, those times are pretty much nonexistent for the majority.

I said my piece about burms earlier, I'll post again if the OP has more questions.

Amen to both these replies in their entirety.

**millertime89** · 04-28-12, 11:51 PM

You can never totally get away from instinct, that's all I'm saying. I do think some snakes are able to recognize familiar people whether its by site, smell, or both. Retics especially seem to be "plotting" however that could be a result of their glowing orange eyes. That said I do feel these animals are more intelligent than we give them credit for, its just there seems to be no way of testing it. At least none that I've heard of. How "tame" they are is in the eye of the beholder.

AaronRiot · 04-29-12, 01:48 AM

There are A LOT of ways of testing. For the most part, snakes are reactionary. It is what it is. We can personify whatever. We're people and good at it.

Norm::: I completely disagree. If people did not discuss where would we be? I get that interweb arguments have a tendency to go nowhere, however, light a spark and you can change the world. You never know who you're talking to on here. Who am I??? All you know is I'm lippy and live in Canada...and if youve read my past posts I used to keep a lot of herps, I (had) plans to get a GTP, showed the world my enclosure, and disappeared for a bit. But who am I??? Who are you influencing with your words?

Wiz.... I'm sorry I did not do a better job at elaborating my points. And if I used words that bothered you it was unintentional. I have strong views, and when an argument is put forth without fact I fight it. Research the topic. I'm afraid I am not out of line with regards to semantics.

WITH THAT being said.. Pueblo... I respect your understanding of snakes. It seems like you know whats up. With that being said, I think realistically, in the location you are in, a Burm is out of the question if you respect the life of the animal. Move out of the GTA and I say go for it; with responsibility, education, and determination. You need experience with a giant first in order to be responsible though.

KORBIN5895 · 04-29-12, 05:11 AM

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. But who am I???

Stephen Harper

exwizard · 04-29-12, 06:34 AM

AaronRiot, we will have our disagreemenents. Thats ok with me. I do respect you and your opinions, even though I will never agree with some of them. Im just a snake guy who loves big snakes even though the biggest I have is only a 9 1/2' Dum. I will never have a Retic, an Anaconda or an African Rock because they are illegal here. I will probably never have a Burm even though they are legal here just simply because I dont have the necessary housing for one.

Pueblo, Burms are great to have as pets IMO if you are prepared for their eventual size and that DOES include having the necessary housing for them. However, in your case, I would not recommend having one simply because they are illegal where you live.