Why are so many people opposed to keeping wild snakes as pets? - Page 7

Snakefood · 04-18-12, 04:24 PM

here in BC, we aren't allowed to keep ANY species of Garter, regardless whether it's native or not....kinda sucks;(

exwizard · 04-18-12, 04:41 PM

As I stated before, to the best of my knowledge, no native snake of any kind are legal to keep here. No bullsnakes, no hognoses, nothing, even if they were c/b. I understand why we cant catch and keep wild native snakes but c/b?? That makes no sense at all to me. Funny thing is that Ive never seen a bullsnake in person here ever and I dont think anyone has in a long time. I know the DNR does not make these laws. They only enforce them so Im thinking that these laws were written in such convoluted ways by ignoatant legislators who dont know what theyre talking about, but thats just my opinion of course.

red ink · 04-18-12, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

As I stated before, to the best of my knowledge, no native snake of any kind are legal to keep here. No bullsnakes, no hognoses, nothing, even if they were c/b. I understand why we cant catch and keep wild native snakes but c/b?? That makes no sense at all to me. Funny thing is that Ive never seen a bullsnake in person here ever and I dont think anyone has in a long time. I know the DNR does not make these laws. They only enforce them so Im thinking that these laws were written in such convoluted ways by ignoatant legislators who dont know what theyre talking about, but thats just my opinion of course.

If you ask the wildlife authorities, you would probably get an answer that states it's in protection of the native wildlife from pathogens in captive specimens in the case of escapees...

Granted there are plenty of pathogens out there that can be spread to wild populations even if they are not native to the area from escaped captives... but the first point may be their reasoning.

Another could be the whole morph mentality of the "captive" reptile industry... Morphs of native animals excaping and breeding with endemic population changes the characteristics of the wild snakes.

If you really want to find out ask I suppose...

Mose · 04-18-12, 07:14 PM

I agree with Rob - it's probably easier from an enforcement standpoint to ban native species altogether rather than have to investigate to determine on a case by case basis if one is WC or CB. That would be a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by red ink

Another could be the whole morph mentality of the "captive" reptile industry... Morphs of native animals excaping and breeding with endemic population changes the characteristics of the wild snakes.

A while back on another forum, a member from the east coast near the northern range for wild cornsnakes was looking for a morph corn to buy. In her state, it was illegal to own native snakes, including wildtype corns, but morphs were okay because the authorities could easily identify them as CB! Evidently the lawmakers of that state weren't too concerned about the possibility of CB morphs escaping and mucking up the local gene pool. LOL

exwizard · 04-18-12, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mose

I agree with Rob - it's probably easier from an enforcement standpoint to ban native species altogether rather than have to investigate to determine on a case by case basis if one is WC or CB. That would be a nightmare.

A while back on another forum, a member from the east coast near the northern range for wild cornsnakes was looking for a morph corn to buy. In her state, it was illegal to own native snakes, including wildtype corns, but morphs were okay because the authorities could easily identify them as CB! Evidently the lawmakers of that state weren't too concerned about the possibility of CB morphs escaping and mucking up the local gene pool. LOL

Very interesting...

Lankyrob · 04-18-12, 04:54 PM

Also if you have the snake in your house how do the authorities know whether it is cb or wc? Easier to ban completely then either way they can act on your ownership.

exwizard · 04-18-12, 04:58 PM

Its easy enough to get bills of sale when buying c/b snakes but thats not even taken into consideration. No, Ill just live with it. Besides my more exotic snakes from Indonesia, Madagascar and Brazil are more appealing to me anyway.

zaroba · 04-19-12, 05:09 PM

I wouldn't doubt that states banning ownership of native snakes was something PETA was behind too seeing how obsessed they are with supporting any snake ban bills. Just a small step in their long term goal.

exwizard · 04-19-12, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by zaroba

I wouldn't doubt that states banning ownership of native snakes was something PETA was behind too seeing how obsessed they are with supporting any snake ban bills. Just a small step in their long term goal.

Makes sense to me.

Charlie64 · 05-07-12, 09:16 AM

Nothing wrong with WC snakes as long as you care for em.

People seem to think it's wrong, and buy captive bred snakes.
But by buying CB's you just support people to go catch more wild ones as breeders.
One's just as bad as the other...

shaunyboy · 05-07-12, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie64

Nothing wrong with WC snakes as long as you care for em.

People seem to think it's wrong, and buy captive bred snakes.
But by buying CB's you just support people to go catch more wild ones as breeders.
One's just as bad as the other...

^^^^^
i disagree with this 100%

Australia has banned export of reptiles since 1982

yet there are more than enough carpet pythons outside Australia,so there is no need to go out and catch wild snakes

imo if there has not been any carpet pythons taken from the wild for export in the last 30 years,then as long as theres captive breds out there,then theres no need to keep taking from the wild

so buying captive bred is in NO WAY the same thing mate...!!

yes in the very begining there would have been an amount taken from the wild,but after that there would be no need to keep doing it

imo,the easiest way to damage wild stock is.....

to think just grabbing as many as you want from the wild is ok

cheers shaun

exwizard · 05-07-12, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

^^^^^
i disagree with this 100%

Australia has banned export of reptiles since 1982

yet there are more than enough carpet pythons outside Australia,so there is no need to go out and catch wild snakes

imo if there has not been any carpet pythons taken from the wild for export in the last 30 years,then as long as theres captive breds out there,then theres no need to keep taking from the wild

so buying captive bred is in NO WAY the same thing mate...!!

yes in the very begining there would have been an amount taken from the wild,but after that there would be no need to keep doing it

imo,the easiest way to damage wild stock is.....

to think just grabbing as many as you want from the wild is ok

cheers shaun

Yup yup yup

homocapra · 05-07-12, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

^^^^^
i disagree with this 100%

Australia has banned export of reptiles since 1982

yet there are more than enough carpet pythons outside Australia,so there is no need to go out and catch wild snakes

imo if there has not been any carpet pythons taken from the wild for export in the last 30 years,then as long as theres captive breds out there,then theres no need to keep taking from the wild

so buying captive bred is in NO WAY the same thing mate...!!

yes in the very begining there would have been an amount taken from the wild,but after that there would be no need to keep doing it

imo,the easiest way to damage wild stock is.....

to think just grabbing as many as you want from the wild is ok

cheers shaun

I agree! Many species of animals are affected because humans take them out of the wild. Anytime an animal becomes a product, whether that be food or pet or skin/fur, whenever there's money involved for humans, the animals suffer and the wild population will eventually be impacted. Did you know that the biggest threat to wild chimpanzees, other great apes and all kinds of other animals is not habitat loss anymore, it's the commercial market for bush meat! Black rat snakes are just lucky that they aren't very colorful and it's not hip to eat them, this keeps the market small

red ink · 05-07-12, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

^^^^^
i disagree with this 100%

Australia has banned export of reptiles since 1982

yet there are more than enough carpet pythons outside Australia,so there is no need to go out and catch wild snakes

imo if there has not been any carpet pythons taken from the wild for export in the last 30 years,then as long as theres captive breds out there,then theres no need to keep taking from the wild

so buying captive bred is in NO WAY the same thing mate...!!

yes in the very begining there would have been an amount taken from the wild,but after that there would be no need to keep doing it

imo,the easiest way to damage wild stock is.....

to think just grabbing as many as you want from the wild is ok

cheers shaun

Plenty of carpets get taken out of the wild for export

... I was passed on a website on another forum of breeders in UK stating they had Julattens. We did not even know of the Julattens back in 82, wonder how they got them

Darkside of the hobby unfortunately... I actually want exports out of OZ to happen to put the mongrels out of business and whats wild stays wild.

Plus if the export happens guess what you're getting as chrissy prezies

... Is it wrong for a bloke to give another bloke Diamonds for a present?

Charlie64 · 05-07-12, 09:56 AM

They do it with ball pythons all the time. They see something neat, like a morph, in the wild then breeders pay top dollar for em.
Carpet's is one species. I wanted an asian vine snake, guess where it came from? The wild. They don't breed well in captivity.
Should we only own snakes that are mass produced in farms for consumers? I find mass breeding much more of an atrocity than collecting a wild specimen.
Then again. Opinions are like @holes. rofl