nile's invade florida - Page 7

Dehlida · 07-05-11, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gungirl

you do realize that being an a$$ is no way to get people to listen to your Opinion...

I've tried to explain logically. I can repeat it til I'm blue in the face. Sometimes people are just too stupid to understand.

Lankyrob · 07-05-11, 07:20 AM

Calling people stupid for having a different opinion is really going to help you get your point across - well done!

reptile65 · 07-05-11, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Calling people stupid for having a different opinion is really going to help you get your point across - well done!

Are you surprised? This thread is no different than any other that Dehlida has posted in on this forum. If people don't agree with HIS way of doing things, they are wrong, stupid, ignorant, etc, etc.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Oh wait....He is the almighty monitor god who knows all the FACTS about their care, therefore everyone else is wrong. How silly of me....

Jay · 07-05-11, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by reptile65

.He is the almighty monitor god who knows all the FACTS about their care

Why is everyone so blind? Not once has he posted that he knows everything. Everyone is acting like a little cry baby. He is helping by telling you FACTS on proper Monitor care. He is being blunt, deal with it and take his advice. I am under the understand that you hard headed folk have gathered all your information from the net, and outdated books. A small search you will find things like this;

Things To Consider Before You Buy
They are not naturally tame and so significant time must be spent with them the first year to tame them, and then regular time must be spent interacting with them to keep them tame. If not tamed, you may end up with a flighty, squirmy or aggressive lizard who is no pleasure to handle--or even to go near. They prefer a routine, with regular feeding and cleaning times. . During the day, temperatures should range from 85-90 F (29-32 C). At night, it can drop about 10-15 degrees, to 75-85 F (24-29 C). With young lizards, it's a good idea to start by handling them and petting them on the neck and sides. This should be done for brief periods every day, a few times a day. How tame your lizard will become will depend on how much time you spend handling them, and the general personality of the lizard you have selected. In our experience, Savannahs tend to be very sweet and docile if handled frequently when they are young, and they can become almost like a dog. Young animals are usually tamed much easier. Some monitors, no matter how much they are handled, will remain wary and aggressive. This is why you really need to carefully choose a good "pet" candidate, when first purchasing a lizard."

TeaNinja · 07-05-11, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jay0133

Why is everyone so blind? Not once has he posted that he knows everything. Everyone is acting like a little cry baby. He is helping by telling you FACTS on proper Monitor care. He is being blunt, deal with it and take his advice. I am under the understand that you hard headed folk have gathered all your information from the net, and outdated books. A small search you will find things like this;

Things To Consider Before You Buy

They are not naturally tame and so significant time must be spent with them the first year to tame them, and then regular time must be spent interacting with them to keep them tame. If not tamed, you may end up with a flighty, squirmy or aggressive lizard who is no pleasure to handle--or even to go near. They prefer a routine, with regular feeding and cleaning times.

. During the day, temperatures should range from 85-90 F (29-32 C). At night, it can drop about 10-15 degrees, to 75-85 F (24-29 C). With young lizards, it's a good idea to start by handling them and petting them on the neck and sides. This should be done for brief periods every day, a few times a day. How tame your lizard will become will depend on how much time you spend handling them, and the general personality of the lizard you have selected. In our experience, Savannahs tend to be very sweet and docile if handled frequently when they are young, and they can become almost like a dog. Young animals are usually tamed much easier. Some monitors, no matter how much they are handled, will remain wary and aggressive. This is why you really need to carefully choose a good "pet" candidate, when first purchasing a lizard."

wait for it.......hahahaha. i like how i got verbally assaulted for saying they and dogs had similarities.
honestly jay, if he was so smart, he's spend his time actually being right instead of arguing and slandering people for having differing opinions. in the beginning if he'd have even givin me some REAL FACTS about monitor handling, sure. but all we got was "you're an idiot and you will kill a monitor if you ever get one" not to mention he's been telling me i have no idea about husbandry and my snakes are beginner snakes. he's been digging into me for like 3 pages because i have a different opinion and you're just eating his bs with a shovel.

Dehlida · 07-05-11, 11:48 AM

I am actually right. Go ask on a respected monitor forum like varanus.nl or repticzone, with people who have big captive perfect monitors. They will tell you the exact same thing that I am. Hands off leads to a healthier monitor, it is stressful for them. Period, end of story. Daniel Bennett a well respected man in the varanid field will tell you this. He's the one who published the paper on bosc monitor diet being strictly inverts. Crocdoc, a well studied zoologist will tell you this.

Clearly we are all wrong, the random kids with 0 monitors all know more than those of us who have monitors and are educated.

When I tell you something about monitors is a fact, it is a FACT. You're view is 100% invalid in the face of science and educated individuals.

Jay · 07-05-11, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

wait for it.......hahahaha. i like how i got verbally assaulted for saying they and dogs had similarities.
honestly jay, if he was so smart, he's spend his time actually being right instead of arguing and slandering people for having differing opinions. in the beginning if he'd have even givin me some REAL FACTS about monitor handling, sure. but all we got was "you're an idiot and you will kill a monitor if you ever get one" not to mention he's been telling me i have no idea about husbandry and my snakes are beginner snakes. he's been digging into me for like 3 pages because i have a different opinion and you're just eating his bs with a shovel.

Wait for it......Grow up kid. I was showing you how much WRONG information is out there. Author claims a 90 basking...

TeaNinja · 07-05-11, 11:55 AM

you're STILL trying to ram "facts" down my throat. i'm STILL talking about an opinion. the amount you handle an animal, whether you like it or not, IS AN OPINION. the fact that you won't acknowledge it not only makes you immature imo, but just goes to show that you are a forum troll looking to piss people off. if not, you would have been mature about this whole situation. instead it's you badmouthing me and telling people not to listen to anything i say about reptiles in general.

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Originally Posted by jay0133

Wait for it......Grow up kid. I was showing you how much WRONG information is out there. Author claims a 90 basking...

and once again, im going to say I DONT KNOW ABOUT MONITOR HUSBANDRY.
i didn't even LOOK at the temps. i read what it said about handling and being almost like a dog. i dont give a CRAP about anything else. this ENTIRE thread the ONLY thing i've argued is his OPINION about how much you can handle them. i don't even plan on buying a monitor, and if i ever do i will do ample research as i always do on the animals i own, but it's a free ****in country, i can state my opinion that his opinion is bs if i want to.

Jay · 07-05-11, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

you're STILL trying to ram "facts" down my throat. i'm STILL talking about an opinion, you reject. the amount you handle an animal, whether you like it or not, IS AN OPINION. the fact that you won't acknowledge it not only makes you immature imo, but just goes to show that you are a forum troll looking to piss people off. if not, you would have been mature about this whole situation. instead it's you badmouthing me and telling people not to listen to anything i say about reptiles in general. oh and of course, listen to 100% of everything the monitor guru says, cuz he clearly knows more.

IT IS NOT AN OPINION. YOU ARE CHOOSING TO STRESS YOUR ANIMAL FOR YOUR PERSONAL PLEASURE! Are you going to kill it if you take it out for a short period of time? NO Are you going to be stressing it? YES

Dehlida · 07-05-11, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

you're STILL trying to ram "facts" down my throat. i'm STILL talking about an opinion, you reject. the amount you handle an animal, whether you like it or not, IS AN OPINION. the fact that you won't acknowledge it not only makes you immature imo, but just goes to show that you are a forum troll looking to piss people off. if not, you would have been mature about this whole situation. instead it's you badmouthing me and telling people not to listen to anything i say about reptiles in general. oh and of course, listen to 100% of everything the monitor guru says, cuz he clearly knows more.

and once again, im going to say I DONT KNOW ABOUT MONITOR HUSBANDRY.
i didn't even LOOK at the temps. i read what it said about handling and being almost like a dog. i dont give a CRAP about anything else. this ENTIRE thread the ONLY thing i've argued is his OPINION about how much you can handle them.

Several well educated people, who study and keep these animals for a living disagree with you and tell you that being hands off is in FACT a better way to keep your monitor.

Monitors should NEVER be treated like dogs. They should be handled as little as humanely possible. This is a well documented fact. The problem is, this kids got an ego and wont admit he is wrong despite PROFESSIONALS agreeing with me.

Clearling the 17 year old punk *** kid with 3 snakes knows more than the people with college degrees and field studies on the monitors. My bad mate, you're clearly in the right here.

TeaNinja · 07-05-11, 12:01 PM

i'm 22, and we clearly have varying opinions. at least one of us is adult enough to admit it. for the 4th time i'm going to agree to disagree and be out.

the point that you think not handling is a fact, just makes you a moron in my book. you know about monitors, but you're lacking some common sense.

Jay · 07-05-11, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

i'm 22, and we clearly have varying opinions. at least one of us is adult enough to admit it. for the 4th time i'm going to agree to disagree and be out.

the point that you think not handling is a fact, just makes you a moron in my book. you know about monitors, but you're lacking some common sense.

You love this. Why else would you keep replying. You are the one doing it for cheap thrills. So out of the 22yrs of your life how much "hands on" Monitor experience do you have? In my opinion I should get a $50 raise at work, not have to pay for gas or rent.

TeaNinja · 07-05-11, 12:07 PM

i just think it's funny that i had a real point and everyone is making a joke of it. i disagree that not handling your monitor is a fact. if everyone can't see that....i just don't get it.

i know a person with a sav, and i know a person with a tegu. neither of them handle excesively, but they definetly get handled.

Jay · 07-05-11, 12:09 PM

What real point? You forgot to state your Monitor experience. I think I know why.

Dehlida · 07-05-11, 12:09 PM

Your point is invalid and wrong. You are wrong. You shouldn't own any animals period due to your inability to learn and become educated on them. You have no idea what the hell you are doing and you're trying to call out people with 30+ years of monitor experience.

Please, for the love of god, just go away so as to not confuse new monitor keepers.