OK let’s have some fun,

[Steeve B]

if you cant show me how I failed you, then you will be like all others who claimed things against me without support, pleas dont do this, think about it and act like a man.
aim telling you if aim wrong I will make amendment.
dont coward on me buy ignoring me

[rsg]

Nope, no crocodile monitors there.
You would think with all the captive bred animals he produces, it wouldn't be any problem coming up with a bunch of animals to fill that cage.
Heck, I would think with all that experience a simple thing like shipping an animal would be no problem.

[Steeve B]

Are you serious that’s it? Your impatience that’s how I failed you!
Man you really don’t deserve these monitors, good on you

Rsg
You really where out of place, this hade nothing to do with you

[NiagaraReptiles]

Originally posted by Steeve B
Are you serious that’s it? Your impatience that’s how I failed you!
Man you really don’t deserve these monitors, good on you

From an outsiders stand point, I'd said you failed to deliver your end of the deal. Regardless of what you claim your delema is/was, it is still a failure to come through on a verbal contract.

Originally posted by Steeve B
Rsg
You really where out of place, this hade nothing to do with you

You have to be kidding! You're posting this on a public forum and saying that it's not the business of others??? hahahaha


I am really not wanting to get involved in this, and I didn't at the begining because I wanted to give Steeeve the benefit of the doubt this time........

I am truely sorry Ryan and Sheila. I guess now you are appointed to join "the dark side" with myself, rsg, FR, Jefe......

[asphyxia]

With respect to my experiences withSteve B.

Fact: Everything Steve has Sold or Given to me has been 100% Top Shelf.
Fact: Every question I have asked, including breeding, incubation, husbindary, and health issues with respect to feeders, monitors and snakes, I have recieved a knowledgable answer to
Fact: In my opinion Steve has forgottin more about montiors than most people know, and has proven to me that he knows more than anyone else with respect to monitors.
Fact: All his advice to me has been correct (even upon further research)
Fact: I would do business with him over anyone else with respect to monitors
Fact: Steve is the only reason I am in the Varanid Forum.
Fact: He does take a while to ship ..he must have a life
Fact: He does not have to "Prove" anything to any body

With respect to Scales Zoo:

I am sorry things did not work out, I am sure in time they will

Brian

[Retic chic]

Ryan is one of the most patient and understanding people you will ever meet - after all, he's married to me!

This deal was the highlight of his passion for reptiles. When it began to fall apart, he became disenchanted. Every time he would get his hopes up to receive the monitors, something would come up that there would be a delay, one was sick, one was egg bound, one was dead...after nearly 4 months we called off the deal. No offence Steeve, if you cannot provide the animals as promised, just say so. If you regret making the promise, and think it was a mistake, say so. But do not lead on an individual who has more passion for reptiles, particularly croc monitors, than anyone I know. You have lost credibility by making excuses. I would not enter into another deal with you myself. Ryan is done with you as well.

We ave both learned a valuable lesson in patience and human nature, Thank you.

I wish you luck with your endeavors, you are going to need it. You may be an expert with the monitors, and have an ability achieve success like never before. Even if this is so, your lack of professionalism and business ettiquette when dealing with people will be the ruin of your accomplishments.

And last of all, this is not about money or being cheap. Out of exasperation, Ryan is spending good money on a lavender albino retic that we are certain will be delivered as promised, when promised, without delay, without excuses, and without the seller changing his mind. I have always wanted one, so thank you again.


You asked for a donation to ssnakess in return for the pair of croc monitors. I hope Jeff will use it to pay for the bandwidth this thread has wasted.

Have a good life, Steeve

Sheila

[Steeve B]

Sheila
all I will say aim arguing to solve a problem not to creat one!
things dont have to be this way
it seems to me ryan tunrned the heat half way into incubation, losing the time and efort alredy given, and also losing the outcome!
life insent a simple do it now thing, when I called you the other day with a good news, you said Ryan whod be pleased taking a hevy laod off my sholders, now its simple transfer $400 and you get the crocs. dont give me this I dont trust you bull, if youd rather keep retics in your nice cage then thats fine by me. however I refuse to be treated as a reptiles dealer, aim not, many of my animals iv waited a very long time for them, this pair aim offering you took almost a year just to hatch.
now I too dont whant to deal with you, not becaus I dont trust you, I do and I think both of you are nice pepoles, however now I know you dont trust me, and this I dont like.
Ryan
you have failed me as a friend
you have failed me as a moderator
some of these post are aimed at creating problems not solving them.

[daver676]

Whats with all the nts on the first page? I wanna catch up!

[Steeve B]

sorry daver676
I hope other have kept the post Iv deleted in the first page!
these crocs and a few events are realy getting to me, and one day out of frostration I deleted many post I tot whod start trouble. I also deleted my photo album in the same spirit
aim sorry for thos who deserve them, as I dont remember them I cant fix, my mistake

its easy to say anything about others not knowing whats realy happenig in there lifes, these past few months Iv passed more time between Hospitals then home, and when I see pepoles getting impatient for little meningless things it opsets me, and I jump the gun

[mbayless]

Steve,
Just take it easy....it is not that important right now - You're dealing with some very tough things right now; Ive been there, done that for slightly different reasons, and when these things happen, life goes in slow motion, taking 1 day at a time, so do that and do not let any stress enter your life - in the long run it is not worth it.

As for rsg and jefe posts, forget them - they have nothing to do with Ryan and Sheila and are just butting their noses where it does not belong....go figure?

If Ryan and Sheila are impatient, they will simply have to accept your tardiness in this sending shipment buisiness....people who have not been at death's door personally have abosultely NO IDEA how it effects you and your day-to-day affairs....this is not an excuse, but reality, and people either understand that, don't understand it, or do not care....and you as a person have to be concerned with Numero Uno = #1!!

good luck!
markb

[Steeve B]

I think iv demonstrated my good will to satisfy scale zoo, however they’ve shown absolutely no willingness to solve anything, they treated this as a business deal when it was really an hobbyist affair no more! Aim not commercial and will never be, to him and others who thinks I have any commercial obligations, my animals are mine especially if you haven’t given a single penny for them, I can choose to retire from any deal when ever I feel like it, for any reason I see fit they are my monitors. My obligations on this thread was to find a responsible keeper, not to satisfy anyone in particular, one of those who participated on this thread was Chuck911jeep he seemed like the least person fit to keep this specie, however limited his experience he’s proven to me buy obtaining 2 pairs of Tegus and doing a fine job keeping and soon breeding them that he will do the same with crocs, therefore aim sending the croc pair to him, as he agreed to pay me the $400 expense fees I contracted while busting my ball trying to pleas scale zoo, as promised this money will be donated to this site to be used at their discretion.

Aim not going to cover this sad story again, I feel scale zoo was foolish and regardless of how they feel about this, the facts remains the same, they backed out of obtaining the croc monitors while at the same time trying to make me look wrongful, Too Good To Be True! anyone thinking otherwise re-read this thread.

I gave you a chance even after being called a FAKE how much more can I freeken bend for you, no more! Adios

Ps. Chuck I hope you post plenty of photos

Mark how can I take it easy? shes not comming back!

[Retic chic]

Congratulations Justin! I am happy to see that you are getting these monitors. Enjoy them.

Sheila

[mbayless]

Yes, I see your point....she is not coming back. Damn shame! They did not respect your agreement and you did what you had to do...they got mad at you, slung some mud in your face, and who comes out of it hurt? Both parties, but most of all the dead lizard....very sad.

I am glad someone else is getting them and you can move on with your life and animals....a very painful lesson for all, too expensive a lesson in my book.

Best Regards,
markb

[Steeve B]

NO NO Mark Respacting agreement was never a Problem, its only a matter of Patience nothing more!

This thread will now continue with the new owner
I wish both parties are Happy with there desision

Rgds

ps. after a post mortem examen the female wasent doing very good and maybe whod have died anyways, I can post a photo and diagnosis if this interest others

[Siretsap]

How could the croc monitor die on the way to the airport?
In my opinion, if you are that good with monitors and tell people how to treat them and raise them, I don't see how it would have died on the way to the airport. I would like some enlightment on that.
Thanks
Michael
ps, why do you want the 400$?