Naming your reptiles - Page 7

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 09:44 AM

You say that all sentient beings can feel love, and they feel "full" from our love. How is that the same as just feeling a sense of security/safety?[/QUOTE]

No I meant they feel full from the food that we so generously provide

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pareeeee

Seriously though, I think we should get back on topic before a religious debate begins and people get in deep doo-doo. :/

I don't believe snakes have 'feelings' per-se either, but this thread is about reptile names not reptile feelings.

Just a suggestion....

Copy that, didn't mean to derail the thread.

. I like to name my animals because it makes me feel better. they could care less

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

You say that all sentient beings can feel love, and they feel "full" from our love. How is that the same as just feeling a sense of security/safety?

No I meant they feel full from the food that we so generously provide

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ohh in that case I retract that part of my argument.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

So define love for me Mikoh. Is it a feeling, a force, action, or just a word that different people attach different meanings to? My snakes can't tell me that they feel safe, or that they feel anything at all. But they show me they feel safe to some extent by eventually not biting me or trying to constantly run away from me once I've established a sense of 'trust' and they no longer feel/think/believe that I'm a giant predator that's going to eat them. They also show me that they feel safe/secure by thriving and growing well because they're in a relatively stress free environment which should make any animal 'happy'.

Again, if you want to call the feeling of safety and security love then so be it. I can't define the word love, but it usually has to do with affection, something that we don't know snakes to be able to feel.

You are not answering the original question on how all sentient beings can feel love. You are just choosing to explain to me that snakes can feel safe and secure by their owners. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the point on how you know that snakes can feel love.

In other words, you are saying snakes can feel love, yet when asked how you know, you give the word a meaning of a sense of safety and security.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Again, if you want to call the feeling of safety and security love then so be it. I can't define the word love, but it usually has to do with affection, something that we don't know snakes to be able to feel.

You are not answering the original question on how all sentient beings can feel love. You are just choosing to explain to me that snakes can feel safe and secure by their owners. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the point on how you know that snakes can feel love.

In other words, you are saying snakes can feel love, yet when asked how you know, you give the word a meaning of a sense of safety and security.

Don't get me in trouble here Mikoh

. Parreee already told us not to get into snakes' emotions. BUT... if I were to use the Webster's definition of love that you provided, the most applicable words would be fondness, tenderness and warmth as opposed to harshness, aggression and indifference. Again, I'm not trying to prove that my snakes 'feel' anything. That doesn't matter to me and doesn't stop me from loving them.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 10:24 AM

lol not trying to get you in trouble. Just trying to have a friendly argument.

And I agree with you, if snakes lack the capability to feel "affection" towards their owners that doesn't stop me from caring for them either. That's not why I keep reptiles.

People are just either for it or against it(The notion that reptiles can feel love) and in that case I'd like to know the reasons for either position.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

lol not trying to get you in trouble. Just trying to have a friendly argument.

And I agree with you, if snakes lack the capability to feel "affection" towards their owners that doesn't stop me from caring for them either. That's not why I keep reptiles.

People are just either for it or against it(The notion that reptiles can feel love) and in that case I'd like to know the reasons for either position.

I like you Mikoh and I like healthy debate. To each his own and live and let live as they say

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kelzerman · 01-22-14, 10:29 AM

My snakes show me they love me, because they give me kisses that make me bleed and hugs that I cant get away from....

KORBIN5895 · 01-22-14, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

lol not trying to get you in trouble. Just trying to have a friendly argument.
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Why? Who are you to question his personal beliefs. And try yo draw him into an argument? This isn't about just some stupid notion or misinformation. It is about his personal belief system, something the rules say we are not to argue. I understand that you don't believe in a a spiritual belief system but that is really irrelevant to this forum .

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Why? Who are you to question his personal beliefs. And try yo draw him into an argument? This isn't about just some stupid notion or misinformation. It is about his personal belief system, something the rules say we are not to argue. I understand that you don't believe in a a spiritual belief system but that is really irrelevant to this forum .

It's all good brother. I enjoyed my discussion with Mikoh. I think we both respect each others POV, we just look at things a little differently, and that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't consider it an argument at all.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Why? Who are you to question his personal beliefs. And try yo draw him into an argument? This isn't about just some stupid notion or misinformation. It is about his personal belief system, something the rules say we are not to argue. I understand that you don't believe in a a spiritual belief system but that is really irrelevant to this forum .

The argument El-Ziggy and I were having was not about spirituality. We were talking about reptiles so I would say our discussion was relevant.

If I had to put it in quotes, the question we were arguing would be " Can reptiles feel love ?". Do you think arguing that point would be violating anyone's right to their personal belief? I don't think so. It's just a topic for debate and as shown, El-Ziggy and I argued in a civil manner.

If someone is going to say " All sentient beings can feel love", I am going to question them as to how they know such a thing. There's nothing wrong with that.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 12:00 PM

Besides one of the purposes for a forum is to have debate. A debate will always include personal beliefs and biases when two sides disagree on a topic.

Mikoh4792 · 01-22-14, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

It's all good brother. I enjoyed my discussion with Mikoh. I think we both respect each others POV, we just look at things a little differently, and that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't consider it an argument at all.

Yup we see things differently and was just having a short argument. Nothing even that serious. We agreed to disagree and left it at that.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-22-14, 12:40 PM

See what YOU started Mikoh!? J/K, it takes two to tango

. I told you we were going to get in trouble!

kwhitlock · 01-22-14, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kelzerman

My snakes show me they love me, because they give me kisses that make me bleed and hugs that I cant get away from....

True snake love!