37 killed from Marijuana - Day of legalization in Colorado

[MDT]

I'm probably a little jaded....I get to see the really rough side of the issue in the ER.

That being said, I don't judge. I understand both sides of the issue.

[MDT]

Ok...I'm really done now....(man, I kill myself sometimes...)

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I think legalizing something that causes you to sell everything you have and let your kids starve is asinine......

Not referring to pot.

Should gambling be illegal? Or any other addiction whether it be physical or mental?

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by robertjnovak59

I agree with you that it shouldn't be illegal. But I'd advise everyone to stay sober. I know I'm biased in that regard. Lol. If it was available I used it. But mainly coke. I've got 2 felonies now, one for cocaine possesion, one for heroin possesion.

Just because you messed up with it doesn't mean everyone else will.

Just because one person hits himself with a hammer while fixing something doesn't mean everyone else will.


So i don't see how your claim that legalizing marijuana is as rational as wasting money on trying to keep it illegal. Why doesn't anyone consider things like alcohol(things that the government tried to criminalize but could not)? Do you want to keep alcohol illegal? Should we waste the money trying to keep it banned?

No it's not as rational to legalize alcohol as it is to spend millions and billions a year just to keep it against the law to drink it. Just let people drink.

[Terranaut]

The difference between legal prescription drugs and illegal drugs is the same as the difference between flowers and weeds. All in the perception of it. Only difference is the laws. Same as weeds are just ugly flowers.

[robertjnovak59]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Just because you messed up with it doesn't mean everyone else will.

Just because one person hits himself with a hammer while fixing something doesn't mean everyone else will.


So i don't see how your claim that legalizing marijuana is as rational as wasting money on trying to keep it illegal. Why doesn't anyone consider things like alcohol(things that the government tried to criminalize but could not)? Do you want to keep alcohol illegal? Should we waste the money trying to keep it banned?

No it's not as rational to legalize alcohol as it is to spend millions and billions a year just to keep it against the law to drink it. Just let people drink.

I agree with you. Its a waste of money trying to enforce laws against drugs.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

The difference between legal prescription drugs and illegal drugs is the same as the difference between flowers and weeds. All in the perception of it. Only difference is the laws. Same as weeds are just ugly flowers.

I agree, half the drugs i take are controlled substances that i cannot take through customs without about six million signed and notorised documents to confirm i am not an addict or a smuggler. There are certain countries that wont accept me at all and others where i can only take a set numb of days of meds, if i lose any pills i have to report to police etc and would be heavily investigated.

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by MDT

I'm probably a little jaded....I get to see the really rough side of the issue in the ER.

That being said, I don't judge. I understand both sides of the issue.

I know you said you're out of this one, but would you care to elaborate? Pm me if you'd feel better about it, I'm turely interested.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

I know you said you're out of this one, but would you care to elaborate? Pm me if you'd feel better about it, I'm turely interested.

*sigh*.....ok....here goes....

Apart from my "experimenting" as a teen (and brother, I def did experiment)...my experience with substance use typically ranges from taking care of the drunk guy that plowed his car into a mini-van killing two kids. He's cut up and belligerent, has no clue he destroyed a family. Or....the kid who "took this pill" that a friend gave her, and ended up getting raped while "she was so f*#$ed up!!!" Or how the small time gang banger dealer that was shot in the head by "rivals" but didn't kill him, only turned him into a potted plant for the remainder of his life and his family can't understand how this happened because he was an "angel". Or the wanna-be chemist meth cooker who burned his trailer down doing a little "shake and bake" and his 3 year old daughter now has 3rd degree burns over a fairly large portion of her little body...

I could go on, but I'll leave it here. Like I said, my job is not to judge. In that capacity, my job is to stabilize the "injury"... Further, as a person of faith, my job is to be compassionate and love people, regardless of station or decisions made in life. If a person wants to smoke a little pot in their own home, that's not my business. If a person has drinks w dinner or a few beers w friends during the game, great (I absolutely love Kettle One martini's with bleu cheese stuffed olives). But it's the folks that do not know when to pull back or involve others (children, other innocent bystanders) in their indiscretions, or simply do not know the dangers of their actions (again, kids) that just really, truly makes me weep/frustrated/angry....

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by MDT

*sigh*.....ok....here goes....

Apart from my "experimenting" as a teen (and brother, I def did experiment)...my experience with substance use typically ranges from taking care of the drunk guy that plowed his car into a mini-van killing two kids. He's cut up and belligerent, has no clue he destroyed a family. Or....the kid who "took this pill" that a friend gave her, and ended up getting raped while "she was so f*#$ed up!!!" Or how the small time gang banger dealer that was shot in the head by "rivals" but didn't kill him, only turned him into a potted plant for the remainder of his life and his family can't understand how this happened because he was an "angel". Or the wanna-be chemist meth cooker who burned his trailer down doing a little "shake and bake" and his 3 year old daughter now has 3rd degree burns over a fairly large portion of her little body...

I could go on, but I'll leave it here. Like I said, my job is not to judge. In that capacity, my job is to stabilize the "injury"... Further, as a person of faith, my job is to be compassionate and love people, regardless of station or decisions made in life. If a person wants to smoke a little pot in their own home, that's not my business. If a person has drinks w dinner or a few beers w friends during the game, great (I absolutely love Kettle One martini's with bleu cheese stuffed olives). But it's the folks that do not know when to pull back or involve others (children, other innocent bystanders) in their indiscretions, or simply do not know the dangers of their actions (again, kids) that just really, truly makes me weep/frustrated/angry....

^^^^^
KUDO'S for not being judgmental mate.....

if anyone had a right to be judgmental,its you,because of what you've witnessed in your line of work...

especially when treating some 3rd or 4th time drunk driving offender,that's just killed some innocent people


imo decrimiailisation of drugs is not straight forward,but governments need to start trying to work it out,because for the last 70 years or more they have epically failed,never more so than the last 30 years

prohibition has been proved time and time again to not work


cheers shaun

[MDT]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

imo decrimiailisation of drugs is not straight forward,but governments need to start trying to work it out,because for the last 70 years or more they have epically failed,never more so than the last 30 years

prohibition has been proved time and time again to not work


cheers shaun

Yeah...most def...there needs to be a better way for sure

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by MDT

*sigh*.....ok....here goes....

Apart from my "experimenting" as a teen (and brother, I def did experiment)...my experience with substance use typically ranges from taking care of the drunk guy that plowed his car into a mini-van killing two kids. He's cut up and belligerent, has no clue he destroyed a family. Or....the kid who "took this pill" that a friend gave her, and ended up getting raped while "she was so f*#$ed up!!!" Or how the small time gang banger dealer that was shot in the head by "rivals" but didn't kill him, only turned him into a potted plant for the remainder of his life and his family can't understand how this happened because he was an "angel". Or the wanna-be chemist meth cooker who burned his trailer down doing a little "shake and bake" and his 3 year old daughter now has 3rd degree burns over a fairly large portion of her little body...

I could go on, but I'll leave it here. Like I said, my job is not to judge. In that capacity, my job is to stabilize the "injury"... Further, as a person of faith, my job is to be compassionate and love people, regardless of station or decisions made in life. If a person wants to smoke a little pot in their own home, that's not my business. If a person has drinks w dinner or a few beers w friends during the game, great (I absolutely love Kettle One martini's with bleu cheese stuffed olives). But it's the folks that do not know when to pull back or involve others (children, other innocent bystanders) in their indiscretions, or simply do not know the dangers of their actions (again, kids) that just really, truly makes me weep/frustrated/angry....

I was talking about marijuana... But.

Wow, just wow. We all know these things happen in our world but don't have to experience them first hand. Good on you for not judging people. I don't think I could do what you do, without growing to hate people.

I have to ask what are your dreams/sleep quality like?

[MDT]

I spent about 9 years in the ED (including residency)....sleep became difficult and I really didn't like people at all. Now, since I opened up my own urgent care facility about 7 years ago, sleep is better, my disposition is much less surly. My wife and kids tolerate me much better
I really don't do a ton of ED work anymore...it's better for me if I don't.....Someone made an earlier post about professionals and substance abuse (maybe Formica)...anyway, it's out there, but from what I saw, seems to be more alcohol related, and honestly form my perspective, it wasn't rampant. But then again, an urban ED in Tulsa, Oklahoma is not Cook County ED in Chicago. Maybe in other locations it's worse.
Everyone has their demons....it's all a matter of perspective as to whose demons are "worse".

Fun fact...it was reported that Denver, CO had more "medical marijuana" dispenseries than Starbucks. Party on Garth

[shaunyboy]

Denver sounds like a great place to be mate

cheers shaun

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

Denver sounds like a great place to be mate

cheers shaun

My thoughts exactly