Turbine eating in the air.

[Ks42]

[QUOTE=bigsnakegirl785;899962]

Originally Posted by Ks42

Then they'd have to bake it every time they gave the snake fresh water or sprayed down the tank, because you can introduce fungal spores through water. Spores can also be introduced and run rampant if there's too much air circulation.

EDIT: Sorry about that Mikoh, he incorrectly quoted you so it looks like I'm responding to you.

yes, possibly intrducing spores and bacteria that its immune system is furmilair with ? rather then spores from a diffrent state and climate taht its system wouldnt be able to combat aswel?
unlikley but still possible.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by Ks42

unlikley but still possible.

[Mikoh4792]

Ks42 id have to take a survey to find out the percentage of people who bake their substrate to go further but baking it only kills the fungi at that moment, new fungi can and will grow just like even if you wash something with soap, bacteria will build up again.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Ks42 id have to take a survey to find out the percentage of people who bake their substrate to go further but baking it only kills the fungi at that moment, new fungi can and will grow just like even if you wash something with soap, bacteria will build up again.

not sure how many people do it, but im supose to tell them to every time i sell bedding just as a precaution, ''wouldnt a quick bake be better then a dead snake?'' sortof redicules but that what y exo-terra rep tells me. atleats the bacteria would be build up from bacteria around your location, rather then a alien bacteria ect few hundred miles away were it is gatherd and bagged up

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Ks42

not sure how many people do it, but im supose to tell them to every time i sell bedding just as a precaution, ''wouldnt a quick bake be better then a dead snake?'' sortof redicules but that what y exo-terra rep tells me. atleats the bacteria would be build up from bacteria around your location, rather then a alien bacteria ect few hundred miles away were it is gatherd and bagged up

Well I use newspaper so no worries for me lol. And if i were to go loose id use bio active substrate or something relatively dry like aspen and cocohusk.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Well I use newspaper so no worries for me lol. And if i were to go loose id use bio active substrate or something relatively dry like aspen and cocohusk.

suprisingly it was the cocohusky that grew my buddie a small turged dometopped mushroom, was thinking of eating it but who knows what trip that would send you on

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Ks42

suprisingly it was the cocohusky that grew my buddie a small turged dometopped mushroom, was thinking of eating it but who knows what trip that would send you on

Ive had fungi grow on cocohusk as well, not from the humidity but from the substrate being wet. It was in a screen top enclosure with lots of ventilation.

[MDT]

Mushrooms= good sautéed. Not pathogenic.

Two words: alveolar macrophage

[Terranaut]

Well after reading all of yesterdays posts here is what I have concluded.....
1) Feeding in the enclosure or in a tub is one of those endless debates that waste page after page of reading.
2) Ks42 never mentioned what pet store they work at even after being asked.
3) Baking substrate.....whatever. My opinion is a waste of time but see #1
4) Ks42 never mentioned what large snakes they were talking about or how large.
5) Saying you work at a pet store 99% of the time is like telling people you work the counter at a drug store so sure I can remove your appendix.
6) We have yet another thread where the new person is way out there preaching BS based on personal experiences and not facts.
7) I won't be baking my substrate or feeding using a separate tub.
8) This thread is way off topic now but who cares as the original topic was a waste of cyber space anyway.
9) I knew I didn't read it yesterday for a reason.
10) Maybe it's time for popcorn.

[dbank999]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Well after reading all of yesterdays posts here is what I have concluded.....
1) Feeding in the enclosure or in a tub is one of those endless debates that waste page after page of reading.
2) Ks42 never mentioned what pet store they work at even after being asked.
3) Baking substrate.....whatever. My opinion is a waste of time but see #1
4) Ks42 never mentioned what large snakes they were talking about or how large.
5) Saying you work at a pet store 99% of the time is like telling people you work the counter at a drug store so sure I can remove your appendix.
6) We have yet another thread where the new person is way out there preaching BS based on personal experiences and not facts.
7) I won't be baking my substrate or feeding using a separate tub.
8) This thread is way off topic now but who cares as the original topic was a waste of cyber space anyway.
9) I knew I didn't read it yesterday for a reason.
10) Maybe it's time for popcorn.

Preach!

No feeding tubs.

And I agree with Aaron. I think there's only one enclosure for the two snakes.

[KORBIN5895]

Ks42...... Wow. Do you have any working knowledge of what you are talking about? Immunity to spores????? Respiratory infections caused by spores? Reading your posts leads me to believe you are either A) 14 years old or B) "ignorent" as you would say.

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Ks42...... Wow. Do you have any working knowledge of what you are talking about? Immunity to spores????? Respiratory infections caused by spores? Reading your posts leads me to believe you are either A) 14 years old or B) "ignorent" as you would say.

Or both. When someone says to me they work with large snakes I figure they either don't actually or consider an adult female ball to be a large snake. If someone says they work with Retics and Annies , I know they actually have worked with "large snakes". Herpers generally use species names to identify people with their experience and do not refer to them as "large snakes".
Also first saying a friend who owns a pet store ,to I work at a pet store. Strange indeed and people who work at pet stores know you tell a customer to bake their substrate so you have no responsibility associated with anything growing in peoples enclosures...."Did you bake your substrate first?" No " Awe sorry man , nothing I can do".

Be who you are.
Don't exaggerate your experience level.
Don't call people ignorant for finding holes in your stories or faults in your practices.


Discuss.
Learn.
Help others.

That's how this all works here.

[Will0W783]

Good grief, Ks42's spelling/grammatical errors make my brain hurt. I feel the need to chime in on the whole substrate fungus issue.
If you are using the wrong kind of substrate for the species' humidity level, then yes mold might be an issue. Visible fungus growing on substrate is definitely not healthy for a snake, but if you are maintaining proper humidity levels and using an appropriate substrate, this should not happen. I use aspen only for snakes that do not need misting or extra humidity, and I change it every two months. For higher humidity species, I use only cypress mulch, which will not mold. Cypress trees grow in swamps and marshes, so the bark is very resistant to fungal growth.

In the wild, snakes are going to come into contact with all kinds of bacteria, fungi and other germs. They can move to escape, or use their immune system to combat the threat. In captivity, they are limited to what space we provide them, so it is up to us to keep it clean. These animals do have immune systems, but a filthy environment will overwhelm them. That being said, I keep mainly rare arboreal pitvipers, and I don't ever bake substrate. The majority of my animals were imported (they are mostly LTC, but I have a few fresher imports) and I am working to establish clean, healthy CBB bloodlines. These are animals that were in the wild at one point, but have acclimated to captivity. I don't provide a sterile environment, and in fact I think it would be less healthy to do so. I do, however, provide a clean enclosure, clean up waste products, change substrate several times a year and ensure no visible mold is growing.

That's all you need to do. I feed all my animals inside their enclosures; I do not worry about substrate ingestion, or spores, or anything really. They're snakes; I provide as natural an environment as I can and let them do their thing.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Ks42

not once have i chastising what so ever, simply stating my opinion, i feed them in seperatre enclosures to reduce the chance ofhostility as wekk as imcation ,it maybe uncommen, but not unheard of, can you justify feeding in the encloser? better safe then sorry is my motto and nothig but the best for my snakes, id hate to come back to a feeding and see my snake wth a mouthfull of bedding, once again, not commen but not unherd of.
if you dont want to feed in a seperate enclosure then thats your choise,. once agina, since times not the reason you feed outside the cage, can you justify the fact you dont?

If it is better to be safe than sorry then why do you take the risk with feeding live prey to your snakes? Surely a bite or three from a rodent is worse than a bit of substrate ingestion?

Originally Posted by MDT

Dude...just....wow.


Btw...I'll be 48 in 2 weeks. I might get it then
Or then again, I may just be too old.

Yep, too old

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Donnie

If it is better to be safe than sorry then why do you take the risk with feeding live prey to your snakes? Surely a bite or three from a rodent is worse than a bit of substrate ingestion?



Yep, too old

i dont feed live, sorry if i gave that impretion,