Het albino retic question

[millertime89]

Now that you guys are talking about genes and their location on alleles I'm out of my knowledge zone.

[reptileexperts]

*head to keyboard* They are related only to the fact the genes are compatible. But do not say they are related directly to the BEL complex because they in themselves can not create a Blue eyed lucy with eachother or Mojavee or Lesser or what not :-P

[reptileexperts]

We can say they are geographically related on a chromosome ;-) how about that, a compromise?

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by reptileexperts

*head to keyboard* They are related only to the fact the genes are compatible. But do not say they are related directly to the BEL complex because they in themselves can not create a Blue eyed lucy with eachother or Mojavee or Lesser or what not :-P

Uhh...here's the lesser x phantom. a BLUE EYED LEUCY! So yes they do create what you say they cannot.

Karma - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons

[reptileexperts]

That's interesting . . . I did almost all the cross in WOB haha didn't cross that one though . . . irony the name is Karma as well. . . guess it was the unlikely result of a potion generator. . . SO then why, can we hypothesis, if this is the case, does Mojave x Phantom produce different results? ? ? We know Mojave and Lesser are located at the same Loci . . .

Genetic Wizard - World of Ball Pythons

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by reptileexperts

That's interesting . . . I did almost all the cross in WOB haha didn't cross that one though . . . irony the name is Karma as well. . . guess it was the unlikely result of a potion generator. . . SO then why, can we hypothesis, if this is the case, does Mojave x Phantom produce different results? ? ? We know Mojave and Lesser are located at the same Loci . . .

Genetic Wizard - World of Ball Pythons

To be honest. No freaking clue.

The only thing I can get is that the super mojave has a "dirty" purple head. It isn't entirely white. Unlike the lesser.

The potions are solid colour, usually whitening up the sides with a purple back and yellow dorsal stripe. Maybe it's a "weaker" gene.

[millertime89]

The World sites aren't exactly the best resources. They're a good starting point for sure but they get a lot wrong.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by millertime89

The World sites aren't exactly the best resources. They're a good starting point for sure but they get a lot wrong.

They give a really solid starting point. Since Ralph first proved the lesser and the phantom I am inclined to believe this breeding.

[reptileexperts]

Yeah, I agree I trust the breeding result, I question our understanding now... Mojave super do make uglier BEL and can produce BUGEYES - eek. However, Mojave x Lesser tend to make great BEL as do the White Diamond Russo line (not a spot on those guys usually). But if we want to talk about Lesser, I'm going to now refer to it as Butter to keep it fresh but the same ;-)

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by reptileexperts

Yeah, I agree I trust the breeding result, I question our understanding now... Mojave super do make uglier BEL and can produce BUGEYES - eek. However, Mojave x Lesser tend to make great BEL as do the White Diamond Russo line (not a spot on those guys usually). But if we want to talk about Lesser, I'm going to now refer to it as Butter to keep it fresh but the same ;-)

Well butter/lesser is just confusing. I guess we wait for more breedings. I'd like to see the lesser special. I don't think it's been done. Could be wrong.

[reptileexperts]

There are pairing records of that in morph calculator? Makes Lesser Crystals according to the generator :-P

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by reptileexperts

There are pairing records of that in morph calculator? Makes Lesser Crystals according to the generator :-P

I looked. It isn't all white. It's a cystal looking thing. Definitely tells us that even though they are close that they still are different.

Lesser Crystal - Morph List - World of Ball Pythons

[reptileexperts]

And the condundrum continues. But that still does not answer the question of how Albino x normal --> then Albino x het from previous ---> all three types of albino??

[Gungirl]

Love reading this thread.. although it made my head spin!

[reptileexperts]

. I was able to breed it a few months later. I raised a group of the resulting heterozygous offspring and bred these retics to produce the first captive-born albino retics in 1999 - - From Bob Clarks Article.

If he's referring to the fact he bred the hets back together, this would easily explain why visually he was able to see all three across the board since his original male was a Lavander. :-)