I want to get a berm any info would be great - Page 6

exwizard · 04-26-12, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronRiot

Gladly

concession accepted.

A final thought, exwizard, sometimes opinions blur facts. With that being said, many of my points were opinion. The wild animal bit is fact. A burmese python is a wild animal. The inability to comprehend this is a potentially dangerous pipe dream. It can kill you, and will not/ cannot think twice about doing so if the stimulus warrants the reaction.

To the OP and anyone else, I am fully for keeping these animals, any animal for that matter, as long as it is a well thought out, planned decision. One must take responsibility for their actions and mitigate risks appropriately both to themselves as well as the captive.

You sound exactly like Aaron S especially your tendency to always want the last word and I detect a little arrogance in there as well. I wouldnt be surprised if you two were one in the same.

What you said in bold is your opinion. Burms sold by breeders are by definition captive bred. That is fact. I will not ever have any wild snakes. That is also fact so go ahead and live in your opinions, I refuse to be blinded by your opinions or anyone elses. As I said, have fun.

Lankyrob · 04-26-12, 04:12 PM

My 0.03 - just because any animal is captive bred it doesnt stop it being a wild animal

exwizard · 04-26-12, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

My 0.03 - just because any animal is captive bred it doesnt stop it being a wild animal

Fine, if Burms are wild then release them all back to the wild and see how long they last. I guess we should release all our snakes back to the wild as well since that is what they are. Right? Idts.

I know what a wild snake is and Ive seen them before. Rob, I respect you and your knowledge and Im done debating because as I said, there is no end and no opinions are ever changed.

Lankyrob · 04-26-12, 04:20 PM

They are all WILD animals, they may be kept and bred in captivity but they are not domesticated like a dog or cat would be.

No idea what "idts" means?

exwizard · 04-26-12, 04:22 PM

Idts means "I dont think so"

exwizard · 04-26-12, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronRiot

Gladly

concession accepted.

A final thought, exwizard, sometimes opinions blur facts. With that being said, many of my points were opinion. The wild animal bit is fact. A burmese python is a wild animal. The inability to comprehend this is a potentially dangerous pipe dream. It can kill you, and will not/ cannot think twice about doing so if the stimulus warrants the reaction.

I so want to get a Burm just to spite you but I know thats the wrong reason to get one so I will pass on that thought.

Lankyrob · 04-26-12, 04:26 PM

Ahhh thanks

exwizard · 04-26-12, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Ahhh thanks

Anytime

Sorry I shouldve spelled it out long hand the first time.

AaronRiot · 04-26-12, 10:34 PM

Semantics....

WC / CB = WILD
Domestic (ie your family dog) = Domestic

Just because snakes come in shiny new suits nowadays (see albinism) it has no effect on instinct and millenia of ingrained behaviour.

In my opinion, as stated before, I think it is perfectly fine to keep wild animals. Preferably CB wild animals.

Burms in the wild - see Florida. No offense, but a ridiculous comment. And yeah they're not "thriving", that is due to temps NOT an inability to sustain themselves. Take a CB Cali King and let it go in Cali and see what happens. Lol.

With respect to debating and a change of ideas. In order for one to have such a thing requires an open mind and keeping ones emotions out of such a discussion.

For example I've ignored the comments posted about my apparent arrogance etc. and chosen not to comment on or make comments personal.

Discussion is a fantastic learning medium.

As an aside, I do not know Aaron S.

alessia55 · 04-26-12, 10:46 PM

I'm also a believer that snakes (no matter how "tame"/CBB) are always wild animals. My Kaybe is a total sweetheart; never strikes at anyone, tolerates everything, and is the epitome of how great a pet snake can be. That being said, I think he would definitely survive if he was freed into the wild (given that he's released into the natural territory of ball pythons; NOT my backyard). I think he's learned to tolerate captive life, but captivity is a lifestyle, rather than what his true instinct calls him to be (wild). I am so exhausted and I'm going to bed. I might wake up and find that I wrote this in a sleepy delirium, so forgive me if I'm existential / making no sense.

USMCgunner11 · 04-26-12, 11:35 PM

I agree with the majority here that no matter how much we attempt to "tame" these magnificent animals we cannot undo their primitive instincts. They tolerate us but do not love us and the ones with the capacity to kill will do so without compassion. Granted, a CB snake may be easier to manage than its wild counterpart, but that doesn't mean it's gonna grab your morning newspaper, play fetch or be happy to see you when you walk in the door (yes I know it's and extreme example but still emphasizes my/ our point)

exwizard · 04-27-12, 12:59 AM

I guess this is another case of I dont care what the majority opinion is here. Its not the first time. It wont be the last. Its not the first issue. It wont be the last.

Terranaut · 04-27-12, 02:07 AM

You guys are arguing over what word to use for the same thing.
Lets try to term them as "non domesticated captive animals". Our animals , unlike domesticated animals, can snap into wild 100% instinct mode. A domesticated animal even one that is mean or viscious isn't acting on instinct alone.Those know better. Ours do not. We aclimatize them to human contact and thats it. But we are ok with that and understand the risks. Most of the time the risks are small and easy to accept but in some cases (like this one) the risks are high and require a degree of experience that leaves little to no room for error in judgement within a very short period of time. Because burms grow fast and they grow big.And yes they are "potentialy" dangerous, don't fool yourselves. Imagine a new snake owner as a new gun owner.That has never shot before and you give them a loaded 90mm anti aircraft gun. Did you just chuckle and see the person getting hit by the recoil or going deaf from the blast? Thats a burm freaking out. Takes less than 5 sec for you to read the snake before its to late. Chances are the recoil will miss the shooter or that he will anticipate the volume of the blast but there is that chance. This entire thread is based on an "if" but IMHO it more of a "when" and IMHO I would not risk it even with th knowledge I have gained from the snakes I have now. I am quiet a few "ooops's" from getting a giant. I hope the OP understands my opinion. Go get your blackbelt before jumping into the octagon

Caylan · 04-27-12, 04:20 AM

You think a snake goes primal, try pushing me a little too far.... Everyone/thing is wild when pushed far enough...

KORBIN5895 · 04-27-12, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronRiot

Semantics....

WC / CB = WILD
Domestic (ie your family dog) = Domestic.

What about cbb? Also you obviously never read Cujo.

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Originally Posted by Caylan

You think a snake goes primal, try pushing me a little too far.... Everyone/thing is wild when pushed far enough...

This is something I agree with completely. Put anything in an corner or injure it and the tell me how domestic it is.

Sorry to derail the thread but maybe Chuck, Kyle or Stephan can give Pueblo some advice or pointers on Burms or giants in general. Again sorry to interrupt.