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05-07-11, 11:20 AM
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Non Carborundum Illegitimi
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Re: looking up?
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Originally Posted by sickvenom
exactly. but she never stated if she recently acquired a new specimen, or not.
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Just think how easy it would have been to just ask this question instead of jumping to the worst possible case scenario straight away
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05-07-11, 11:25 AM
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Re: looking up?
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Originally Posted by Lankyrob
Just think how easy it would have been to just ask this question instead of jumping to the worst possible case scenario straight away 
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you are right lankyrob! but, i stated my reasons for bringing up the horrible condition. it's sad when you see a collection of 35 boids get wiped out one by one (actually sometimes several went in a day), within a period of 3 months. it's one of those things that i bring up for education purposes, not as a scare tactic. so i apologize if i scared anyone, but i'm often times surprised at how many people don't know about ibd and its seriousness. it really is like stage 4 cancer that spreads.
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05-07-11, 12:57 PM
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You can call me JR
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Re: looking up?
reasons stated or not, asking all the questions first is a great idea. It allows you to get a hold of the situation better. good lookout though.
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05-07-11, 12:59 PM
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Re: looking up?
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
reasons stated or not, asking all the questions first is a great idea. It allows you to get a hold of the situation better. good lookout though.
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as i have said in the past, reptile_reptile, you are wise for you age. i wasn't joke, i was being serious. i'm glad you are our future.
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05-07-11, 01:36 PM
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Re: looking up?
starting to sound like john connor.
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05-07-11, 01:56 PM
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You can call me JR
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Re: looking up?
i wouldnt call myself wise, I make plenty of stupid decisions.
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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05-07-11, 02:14 PM
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Super Genius
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Re: looking up?
Matt, I'm not playing your little games.
There are plenty who will play with you here though...
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05-07-11, 04:00 PM
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Re: looking up?
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Originally Posted by mykee
Matt, I'm not playing your little games.
There are plenty who will play with you here though...
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Amen to that!
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05-08-11, 11:28 PM
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Join Date: Oct-2010
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Re: looking up?
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Originally Posted by Wolfus_305
I know it's very tough because I can't get a picture of it, but I answered all the questions and responded to all the symptoms that sickvenom posted for me to read.
I have only seen him do it twice and other than that (and the lack of eating, which is normal for my guy, he likes to frustrate me) he seems completely normal
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3 out of my modest 9 ball pythons will eat on a regular basis. The other 6 like to "frustrate" me as well! Skip a meal here, take a meal there; fairly normal for BPs. My oldest male will go weeks without food, and then will go weeks with food....he likes to keep me guessing.
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Originally Posted by mykee
Alright, let's put an end to this unnecessary fear-mongering crap that sickvenom is spouting off about.
I think I may have the most experience here with ball pythons, so listen up Kendra;
Unless you introduced another infected animal (most likely a boa) into the same environment recently, it is NOT IBD. Ball pythons don't just "get" IBD out of thin air; it's a virus that can lay dormant in boas their entire lives, but will kill pythons within a month.
Unless that symptom of "periscoping" (which, incidentally, I've seen ALL 125 plus of my adults do at some point) is paired with other symptoms, you can safely rule out IBD.
When you get a cold, you think a cold, not HIV.
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You are the BP king! You will have to give us an update thread...I love the eye candy.
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Originally Posted by sickvenom
it is not unnecessary. if you think it's 'fear-mongering' then you really have no idea how deadly ibd can be. continue ready to learn more...
possible. i had breeding project going on in 1991. you?
exactly. but she never stated if she recently acquired a new specimen, or not.
actually, less than a month. and it will spread like a wild fire. i have seen ibd wipe out entire collections, even when the snakes were housed in separate enclosures.
not true. there is no absolute 'first' sign of ibd. it can show up in many different forms. that is why i brought it up in the first place. we know how serious it is. even if it's not ibd in this case, people need to know about the signs of ibd so they can quarantine their snake asap and get it out of the house. this is also why you should ALWAYS quarantine new boids when you bring them into an established collection. i wasn't trying to 'scare' anyone or be unruly, it was a genuine concern. i have worked for some of the top herp doctors in washington state. i currently know the top herp doctor in arizona. i grew up around doctors and scientists who worked at the university of washington and the woodland park zoo. i have PERSONALLY seen ibd diagnosed via symptoms of mouth rot, mites, creased eyes, RI, writhing/contorting, loss of appetite, gazing, and also the symptoms Wolfus_305 originally stated (which almost sounded like gazing at first.) i think it says a lot when people ruled out ibd and jumped on my ***, when they have probably never even seen cases of ibd in person.
also, chances of surving ibd are pretty slim. almost all will die from it.
when you experience signs of liver failure, do you think urinary tract infection?
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Go Huskies (I'm working on my Ph.D. at the UW)! You seem very knowledgeable and my absence has not allowed me to get to know you better...I hope to though!
I just felt like responding to the feeding blurb that seemed to go unanswered.
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