Variety Pack of Boas.

[David Kwok]

LOL Ryan and Vanin.... welcome to the losers club!

[Matt_K]

MATT K:

I decided to read each one of the replies as you stated, more than once to just confirm I did not miss anything. Matt yes I claimed the phrase hyena pack and you mention way to get respect.

You called the members 'Hyenas' on more than one thread.. Either way, I was stating that name calling, which by the way, is against the sites TOS will NOT earn you respect from members..

Matt and I have some issue nothing big, not really important on my end it is because I am respectful on the forum and when he replies to my posts or PMs or email I feel his attitude is a bit harsh, maybe that is how he is, maybe that is his character, maybe the responsibility of being a mod is stressing.

I find it funny that you can bring this up in a public forum, but not have the balls to bring it up to me personally and talk to me about it before going public.. What's even better, the one time you were going to say something, you didn't even do it PERSONALLY.. (You know what im talking about). When have you PM'd me??? You've Emailed me a couple times asking for clarification on the Classified Rules, are you saying I didn't answer you?? I answered your questions in a very detailed and civil manner.. No need to make it seem like it's something it's not.

What can I say but great job at two-facing me, almost a pro at it, I have to give you props man, great job. I had the strangest feeling how our last few months on MSN were not the old Trevor that I guess I trusted. The drama you told me about MATT K and a few others was just crazy.

Funny how yet again my name get's drawn into your thread.

Again Tony, Im inviting you to speak with me personally about it, if you want to phone me, you can do that, i'll pm you my number, if you want to email me, you can do that, just click on the 'email' icon or send me a PM.. Rather then beat around the bush, take up your issues with me personally, this time don't have someone else do it for you..

As far as me being 'harsh' on the forums, I understand that some people see me as that way, the funny thing about it is this.. If you ask anyone on this site that knows me PERSONALLY, they'll tell you that 99.9% of the time when im being 'harsh', im JOKING. Again, it all boils down to how you interpret someone's font..

When that didn't work, you tried more lies to cover old lies, and then California Romeo came to your aid. Then you appologized for a bunch of things that had nothing to do with the actual issues at hand. When that didn't work, you start throwing mud at other respected breeders hoping to take the bad light off of you, and put some on to them.

So I'm not the only one who's noticed this huh???

-Matt

[marisa]

Nothing else matters except the TOS rule break by having two accounts and even posting to yourself. You cannot avoid that by telling mods they are not doing their jobs, and you cannot avoid that by apologizing. It has been shown here you have two accounts, period.

In my mind who cares about the photos, but I most certaintly will not hold back from the members when I find out that one person is really TWO people. Matt didn't either, and I would have done the same.

And Vanan I see your point but suggesting we have a "LOSERS CLUB" is as bad as what you are talking about, not to mention totally wrong considering the real issue is one person having two accounts. Who really cares about his photos or whos snakes they are.....But if being two people at the same time doesn't bother you, great. But it bothers me, and many other members here. And Linds, Matt and Chappy are in perfect order in calling him on it/agreeing it's not needed here.

Marisa

[Linds]

we both feel honesty is important and we both feel we are a lot alike so if people feel they needed to make an attack on me on an open form and its seems to be ok by the mods, like Linds says you put your self out there then we are the same again Dan. This is no insult to you or anyone I just needed to show people that if I am so important to single out and yet others aren' t I am calling this double standard and the forum is blind to it.

Honesty IS important, you couldn't be more right. This is generally what a lot of the posts are expressing concern about. They aren't violating the TOS by questioning and such. It's a shady industry and herpers like to know who they can trust However, you have violated the TOS twice in this thread already, by name calling and creating a false account (that isn't exactly honest, and likely fueled several more posters). People are asking questions, which is permitted. It isn't a pack attack as you say it is, just people that want answers, and the moderation team making sure the TOS is abided by.

Thank you for the well wishes, I wish I could say they came true!

[Manitoban Herps]

Fuzzy....Whay don't ya'll drop the situtation...thats the problem...does it really matter if there not his snakes yet and he puts copyright on them?

And he made 2 accounts...he is the first to do that

[David Kwok]

I agree with Marisa.... rules have to be followed and having two accounts is wrong. I am sure there are lots more others out there who have more then one account though.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

nevermind

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by Manitoban Herps
And he made 2 accounts...he is the first to do that

I'm sure he's not the first to do that.. That's not the point though, and maybe you're missing the actual point in that.. He made a second account to agree with himself and try and put out the fire, so to speak..

[marisa]

I am sure there are lots of others with more than one account.

Unfortuantly this shows dishonesty, but it's difficult to catch the two accounters unless we see something that's fishy. But once in a blue moon one of the mods will catch it. It's happened before, it will happen again I am sure. But I see no reason not to share it with the members when and if it comes up.

At the same time there is nothing more that can really be said here. We all know the situation now and can make our own choices on what we think. I am glad things have stayed somewhat civil and hope the New Year will bring less of this.

Marisa
P.S NO one verbally attack you. Showing where you were wrong or lied is not a verbal attack, its facts, not attack. Just because it's not in a good light on your end doesn't make it wrong on our end to show the truth.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

nevermind

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

nevermind

[marisa]

I won't be because I don't post under two accounts and bring it on myself by not being honest.

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

I like Marisa, she is always a quiet one when it comes to this.....she shows great pics and inforamtion, a model moderator

[marisa]

LOL!

I need some help in the being nice department, I am trying to be more helpful and just simply post about snakes. But in this thread the level of dishonesty has gotten the better of me.

I'll go take more pics now LOL! Trust me, it would take all night to get even ONE that deserves to be called "great" haha

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

Someone had to break the tention

But that was serious too