instead of many

[JeffT]

FOR GODS SAKE...ITS CHAMELEON NOT CHAMELION

NEXT OFF, they are NOT easy to care for,you need a LOT of experience and it seems you have no clue what you are doing. In the last 2 days I have seen you going from animal to animal wondering if you should get it and then you just MOVE ONTO THE NEXT. First Savannahs (which you were wondering if they were poisonous , then a burm, now "chameleons"... Not all animals can live in rubbermaids either, most need a lot of ventalation and air.
Chameleons need a lot of space so no rubbermaid containers, more like a 3ft wide 7ft tall and 3 ft deep.

geez...wonder whats next

[Tim and Julie B]

I am getting a head ache. I really, really want to help but it just seems like you are dead set on chams. If you truly love them that much then I am sure you don't mind spending a couple hundred dollers on an enclosure. Don't get me wrong it is great you love them so much but maybe set them as a goal. You asked for advice on what everyone thought would be good. Everyone says if you are set on the rubbermaid housing not to go with a cham. Pick a snake! They are way easier to take care of and you will have better success in the long run if you decide to breed them. I still think corns are the way to go but if you do not like any of the two hundred or so phases then maybe consider ball pythons. I really like the rosy boa suggestion also. Please take the advice of your piers! I would have loved this many people to talk to when a I started out! Take care and hopefully you will make the best decision for you as well as the reptile (whatever it maybe). Tim

[Aaron_S]

if you want something to breed for you and obviously you haven't taken my advice on pet rocks,or sand even the cool cardboard forest. You could go with an ant farm,just don't shake them up they hate it.

Seriously if you want something to live in rubbermaids and are easy to breed and are good for handling why don't you go with house snakes.

[yankeefoxtrot]

Im just posting cus i wanna be part of the HUGEST thread i have ever seen just to say i was there.......HEH

Lucas out!

[icequeen]

Better be careful there Aaron_S and JeffT, if you're not you'll be accused of dashing a young mans dreams, and making him feel intimidated to ask ANY questions here at all....at least that appears to be the feeling of some.

Personally, to me, it appears that this young man will keep asking the same questions over and over again, until he hears what he WANTS to hear.

I'm still sticking with my suggestion....crickets and/or roaches.

These were the original desired requirements:

<b>likes to be handled </b> *hissers don't seem to mind TOO much*
<b>GROWS BIG BUT NOT TO BIG</b> *hissers, for sure*
<b>very easy to breed</b> *yup...and yup*
<b>easy to care for</b> *doesn't get much LESS demanding than insects*
<b>nice looking </b>*beauty is in the eye of the beholder*
<b>commom </b>*as common as the day is long...crix at least*
<b>inexpensive</b> *1000 for what? $25.00?*
<b>also iw ould like something that would eat live food
any sugestions?</b> *My crickets LOVE to eat mealies and wax worms!* <b>They will be kept in rubber maids and i plan toraise many of them </b>*yup again....crix all the way!*

ANNNNNND the added bonus is...you could sell the "extra" to other herp lovers for feeders!

....pretty much covers crickets and roaches...wouldn't you agree?

[BallPython13]

forget it!IF you all dont have enough sence to know that i already said im getting a ball python go somewhere else!If you dont like this topic dont be dumb enough to respond!!!GET OVER IT ARRON IM NOT GETTING A ROCK OR FOREST OR WHAT EVERR IT IS NOW!!!Ive found another forum where they accualy help me and not gripe because im young and have some questions....Forget all of you!!!!!!

[BallPython13]

who would want to keep crickets or roaches as pets???

[BallPython13]

heh your self lucas!None of you have helped me all u do us gripe because im young.And you wonder why this board is going down hill!!!!!!!!

[Trace]

I beg to differ BP13.... many, many people (myself included) offered you some great tips on chameleons, snakes, beardies et al on this thread alone! Prove this wrong, PLEASE!

Trace

[icequeen]

Well, I have to agree with you about the crickets....but I know LOTS of people that keep hissers as pets.

Sort of like how some people keep giant millipedes as pets, or tarantulas, etc....there is a person who supplies feeder insects, that is interested in raising beetles...not as feeders...but just because he LIKES beetles.

There is also a girl that posts on another forum, and I believe it's Luna moths she raises....again, because she LIKES them....never to feed to her herps.

Honestly...I wish I could find someone who DOES raise hissers near me. Apparently they are now banned here, and I'd love to try and feed them to my cham....maybe some NEW food choices would encourage him to eat on his own again.

[JeffT]

Were only trying to get a point across to you that you are going about things the wtong way. Really...if you insist on going out and buying CHAMELEONS and stuffing them in rubbermaids along with everysingle other animal then go for it. You will have about 2 weeks of joy.

[BallPython13]

IVE DONE SAID IM GOING WITH BALL PYTHONS!GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THINK HEAD!

[Pixie]

I'm happy that you found another forum that is willing to explain EVERYTHING for you! I can't wait to see how long that will last!!! LOL

We were more than willing to help you but:
1) You don't seem to want to take the advice from members that have MANY years of experience and still want to do what pleases you instead of what's best for the animals.
2) Say money is not an option but then you don't want a cornsnake because it's 20$ more than a chameleon.
3) You ask for our opinions and then tell us to forget it when it doesn't suit you.
4) You want us to explain everything for you, different species, how to care for them, how to breed them, etc.

At this point, I'm fed up! Do the research and work YOURSELF!

I really don't care what you do anymore. Get yourself some retics, some african rocks, some burms, some monitors, iguanas, chameleons, heck, why not throw in some alligators and crocrodiles. Why not go for venomous snakes while you're at it!

And if you think it's still about your age, it ISN'T. It's about your LACK of maturity and common sense. There are other young members here like yourself that seem to have a lot more sense than you do.

Take the hint.

Pixie

[icequeen]

None of you have helped me all u do us gripe because im young.And you wonder why this board is going down hill!!!!!!!!

Excuse me?

NONE of what any of us had to say was because of your age!!!!
It had to do with your apparent lack of interest in hearing the cold, hard FACTS.

Yes we were being silly in the beginning, then when you came back later in the day, we offered post after post of FACTUAL information, which you chose to disregard.

If I'm not mistaken there are other "young" people on here, Emily Fisher comes to mind (forgive me Emily if you are not "young")
She is planning on getting a cham, and she herself figures it will take her about a YEAR to prepare for it's arrival.

Not TWO WEEKS.

Your age has ZERO to do with the way people are responding to you....and your attitude has EVERYTHING to do with it.

[icequeen]

By the way....

I, for one, am still interested in which care sheet says that chameleons will do just fine in rubbermaid containers.

Please tell us which site you read that on, so we dont' make the mistake of directing someone there.

Thanks...