Man dies from snake bite... - Page 6

shaunyboy · 12-07-14, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Georgia

Its not reasoned arguments. You are rebelling against the owner of a thread for no reason. Its all a matter of respect. And to be quite frank, its dumb. Unfortunately i fail to see what you have to gain from this other than petty satisfaction. If i am missing something then please enlighten me.

For i remember stating that this was a thread merely to inform on a current event. Not to debate and be stupid... why did i say this?

BECAUSE ITS MY DAMN THREAD!

rebelling for no reason i disagree...

so anyone who does not share your opinion is a rebel,that's absurd imo

no mate you don't own the thread,the minute you post your thread it becomes a matter for anyone with an opinion to post on

so you think it's ok to make a thread,then police it yourself if people disagree with what you think...

then you go on to personally attack said person..

imo you posted a controversual subject then tried to use the poor mans death to stop folk from giving their opinions

cheers shaun

Cmwells90 · 12-07-14, 11:33 AM

I think the simple point is this, I cruise these forums on the daily and there is one post I will ALWAYS dread reading because I KNOW it's going to turn into an argument or a posting war between a few people. Handling Hots has ALWAYS caused an argument here, when people post their personal pictures, stories, or news. It's a simple concept that we obviously hate the idea, feel it's hurting those of us who doing things the right way, and may lead to long term problems for the hobby.

I am in no way agreeing with anyone, but anyone who pays attention on this forum could have told you this was a bad idea. Plus you should have known that by asking people to keep their opinions to themselves you would run into someone who refuses to do so.

**Minkness** · 12-07-14, 11:42 AM

Are the hot snake threads usually so heated? Sheesh...

As someone neutral to it all, it's terrible that it seems the OP is almost antagonizing at this point....

Is it just morbid entertainment at this point or something?

Sad the guy is dead, but if he had been handling properly he wouldn't be. The situation was a time bomb with a glitch in the wiring. Call it...surprise suicide even....

Regardless of what 'happened', what is currently happening on this thread is just pointless. You can't yell at an oak tree long enough and expect it ti change to a willow.

Stop giving eachother ammunition and move on to a more productive conversation.

Cmwells90 · 12-07-14, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Minkness

Are the hot snake threads usually so heated? Sheesh...

As someone neutral to it all, it's terrible that it seems the OP is almost antagonizing at this point....

Is it just morbid entertainment at this point or something?

Sad the guy is dead, but if he had been handling properly he wouldn't be. The situation was a time bomb with a glitch in the wiring. Call it...surprise suicide even....

Regardless of what 'happened', what is currently happening on this thread is just pointless. You can't yell at an oak tree long enough and expect it ti change to a willow.

Stop giving eachother ammunition and move on to a more productive conversation.

No, no, no, that makes wayyyy too much sense!

that1guy · 12-07-14, 01:04 PM

Alot has been said in this thread, I only read the first and last page but would like to offer my opinion.

Handling venomous snakes is risky. You can take precautions to make it less risky, as most keepers do, but there is always a chance you can get bit. Granted the way this man was handling the snake was more risky, but it was his risk to take and he paid the ultimate price in this instance.

I am a strong believer that a persons life is theirs to risk so long as there not putting anyone elses life in danger.

marvelfreak · 12-07-14, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by that1guy

Alot has been said in this thread, I only read the first and last page but would like to offer my opinion.

Handling venomous snakes is risky. You can take precautions to make it less risky, as most keepers do, but there is always a chance you can get bit. Granted the way this man was handling the snake was more risky, but it was his risk to take and he paid the ultimate price in this instance.

I am a strong believer that a persons life is theirs to risk so long as there not putting anyone elses life in danger.

If you watch the news report it says it happen during a church sermon. So he was putting other people lives at risk.

Georgia · 12-07-14, 01:29 PM

I am not antagonizing anyone.

CrotalusR#1 · 12-07-14, 02:10 PM

The man did not get bit handling his snakes at his home it was during his sermon where he believes it was the write thing to do. so at this point if your are arguing the way he got bit than you are arguing with his religion which may or may not be against forum rules.

Those who are saying he was endangering others lives clearly haven't actually seen the ways these sermons go down. Only those who are allowed to Handel snakes are on the "stage" and there are usually multiple members up there so one, if a sake is dropped or something it will never go anywhere and 2, anyone with in Striking distance of the snake probably has a handful of copperheads themselves lol.
Those who are saying proper handling procedures would have avoided this clearly don't understand there beliefs and missed the mark all together. Basically in a nut shell if they are meant to die they will be bitten and if there not they will survive a bite with no treatment.

Nathan.

that1guy · 12-07-14, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

If you watch the news report it says it happen during a church sermon. So he was putting other people lives at risk.

That is debatable. I don't know the specifics, the man may have pulled the snake out without warning or he may have informed the congregation beforehand. Depending on this...

However, the congregation was there by their own choice and could have left at anytime. If they did not leave once they were aware of the snake they were taking a risk of their own.

SSSSnakes · 12-07-14, 08:07 PM

By a misinterpreted scripture verse, this man tempted the Lord thy God and paid the price. He was handling the snake carelessly on purpose and according to his own beliefs, his Faith was lacking.

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-14, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrotalusR#1

The man did not get bit handling his snakes at his home it was during his sermon where he believes it was the write thing to do. so at this point if your are arguing the way he got bit than you are arguing with his religion which may or may not be against forum rules.

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Those who are saying proper handling procedures would have avoided this clearly don't understand there beliefs and missed the mark all together. Basically in a nut shell if they are meant to die they will be bitten and if there not they will survive a bite with no treatment.

Double standards.

1st - You're trying to get people to stop disagreeing with the practice because discussing religion might be against the rules

2nd - You excuse the man's behaviour by saying it's his religious beliefs.

Don't use his religion as a justification and no one needs to talk about religion.

SSSSnakes · 12-07-14, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

no one needs to talk about religion.

If it was not for his religious belief he would not have been handling the snake carelessly in the church. It's all about his religion and his beliefs.

The Mods should have stopped this thread a long time ago.

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-14, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

If it was not for his religious belief he would not have been handling the snake carelessly in the church. It's all about his religion and his beliefs.

The Mods should have stopped this thread a long time ago.

That's true. I was going to say one only needs to leave it at " I agree or disagree with free handling hots"... but realistically people are going to bring up his religion anyways.

CrotalusR#1 · 12-07-14, 09:47 PM

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1st - You're trying to get people to stop disagreeing with the practice because discussing religion might be against the rules

2nd - You excuse the man's behaviour by saying it's his religious beliefs.

Don't use his religion as a justification and no one needs to talk about religion.

Listen I am done dealing with your stupid troll ***.. You are a moron for the simple fact that you are enjoying derailing this thread from the beginning.
You are seriously annoying. I'm done trying to sate my point because regardless of whether or not you agree your still just gunna run your damn mouth..how is it that the second some one on here post something, before the page can be refreshed you have already ran your mouth for 3 paragraphs. You haven't even been on this site for a year and you have nearly 5,000 post, you must live on this site. Dose carpal tunnel hurt???

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-14, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CrotalusR#1

Listen I am done dealing with your stupid troll ***.. You are a moron for the simple fact that you are enjoying derailing this thread from the beginning.
You are seriously annoying. I'm done trying to sate my point because regardless of whether or not you agree your still just gunna run your damn mouth..how is it that the second some one on here post something, before the page can be refreshed you have already ran your mouth for 3 paragraphs. You haven't even been on this site for a year and you have nearly 5,000 post, you must live on this site. Dose carpal tunnel hurt???

So pointing out the logical fallacies and hypocrisies of a person's argument is trolling. I'm the one here using reason while you're the one using personal attacks.

Actually, I don't spend much time on this site, I just post a lot when I am. I post pictures of my own snakes, help those who have questions, and sometimes get into several page long arguments like this when someone isn't being fair.

So instead of resorting to ad-hominem, why don't you actually invalidate my argument by backing up your own. You quoted my points; break them down and argue them correctly without making fun of my character. Who is the real immature one?

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You haven't even been on this site for a year

By the way, your math is off. I've been here for a year and a half. On average, I am only making about 5 more posts than you a day.