Thinking of using some harvested branches.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

This thread is hilarious. Formica you are not only ridiculous but soo full of crap I'm amazed your handle isn't 'loo'

You claim superiority because you sterilize everything. What if I told you that you're actually doing it wrong? Wrong temps wrong amount of time... basically you're just making more.

How To Sterilize Soil - Urban Farm Online

Start Seed and Transplants in Sterilized Soil

These say 180-220°C for 30 so basically at 65° youre doing nothing.

And in case you are a visual learner..

Sorry that should say °F

[formica]

63C for 30 minutes, is the accepted pasteurization method for both the UK and US governments

2 other methods exist, 72C for 15 seconds, 138C for 2 seconds, neither is suitable for logs, soil or an other medium which cannot be liquefied.


I suggest you look it up on a scientific or government website, rather than a random gardening website from google - as I said, higher temperatures can be used, but you run the serious risk of damaging the organic compounds.



and btw I made no claim to superiority, people choose to take offense simply because I have a method they disagree with and am able to back up that method with good information, people dont like being told that their are good reasons for something they disagree with. well, then whats the point of them being involved in a discussion if they think like that? we shouldnt do things simply because we think we should do them, they should be thought out.

[marvelfreak]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

This thread is hilarious. Formica you are not only ridiculous but soo full of crap I'm amazed your handle isn't 'loo'

You claim superiority because you sterilize everything. What if I told you that you're actually doing it wrong? Wrong temps wrong amount of time... basically you're just making more.

How To Sterilize Soil - Urban Farm Online

Start Seed and Transplants in Sterilized Soil

These say 180-220°C for 30 so basically at 65° youre doing nothing.

And in case you are a visual learner..

Look how Lori showed proof to back up her point.

Originally Posted by formica

I didn't say you don't need them. I what i said was the ones i use will not get above 95 degrees without a thermostat. Here's that thing called proof again.
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/pytho...t-blood-2.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by formica
105F is not a massively high temperature for a heat mat, that is the kind of temperature I would expect to see without a thermostat, and that is why I always recommend a thermostat - perhaps there are brands which are lower power, or lower efficiency, but its really not worth the risk

My response.

The kind i use will not go above 95 degrees with out a thermostat. Plus with Bloods you have to be extra care of temperature spikes and drops. Baby Bloods can be super touchy. I learn that the hard way years ago. My first three Bloods didn't live pass 3 months. Until they hit around 6 months to a year you want to have everything perfect. As they get older they become a little more tolerable of mistakes.

Originally Posted by formica

you really think I have time to waste trawling thru the net to find all the negative comments I have seen about ssnakess members? lol

Yet again no proof. Typical for you. You always give some lame reason not to show proof. If i was debating with some one and could show proof to back up what i was saying and make them look like a donkey rear end i do it in a heart beat. But every time your ask to show proof to back up what your saying you never show any. That's why everyone thinks your full of crap. So please prove me and all of them wrong. I have no problem with admitting when i am wrong. So if you can show proof of these negative comments then why not prove me wrong. I myself don't think there are any.

[Mikoh4792]

Formica no hard feelings against you but marvel is right. To say that it's a waste of time is no excuse to not back up your arguments. Might as well not argue at all.... because I've seen other people here such as Lady_bug take the time to bring evidence into her arguments, why shouldn't you? It shows respect to the person you are debating.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by formica

63C for 30 minutes, is the accepted pasteurization method for both the UK and US governments

2 other methods exist, 72C for 15 seconds, 138C for 2 seconds, neither is suitable for logs, soil or an other medium which cannot be liquefied.


I suggest you look it up on a scientific or government website, rather than a random gardening website from google - as I said, higher temperatures can be used, but you run the serious risk of damaging the organic compounds.



and btw I made no claim to superiority, people choose to take offense simply because I have a method they disagree with and am able to back up that method with good information, people dont like being told that their are good reasons for something they disagree with. well, then whats the point of them being involved in a discussion if they think like that? we shouldnt do things simply because we think we should do them, they should be thought out.

Are you done crying about things?

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by formica

As for me giving poor advice - well, you are the one telling people they do not need thermostats.


.

Please quote this from anywhere. Drive the nail home buddy. Now you have brought the story telling to new heights. We ask you for some evidence to prove your theories and you provide nothing time and time again. You just make stuff up and post away. There isn't a single member supporting you here. I guess we all have no idea what we are talking about. You knock the site...the people on it... the moderators...and the contribute what? Nothing. Your holier than thou attitude stinks and you claim we are not accepting of your ideas but have belittled anyone whos opinion differs from yours. Your out of line and out of control with your bashing....but hey it's all of us who are being rediculous here right?

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by formica

63C for 30 minutes, is the accepted pasteurization method for both the UK and US governments

2 other methods exist, 72C for 15 seconds, 138C for 2 seconds, neither is suitable for logs, soil or an other medium which cannot be liquefied.


I suggest you look it up on a scientific or government website, rather than a random gardening website from google - as I said, higher temperatures can be used, but you run the serious risk of damaging the organic compounds.



and btw I made no claim to superiority, people choose to take offense simply because I have a method they disagree with and am able to back up that method with good information, people dont like being told that their are good reasons for something they disagree with. well, then whats the point of them being involved in a discussion if they think like that? we shouldnt do things simply because we think we should do them, they should be thought out.

If my sources aren't good enough let's see yours

[marvelfreak]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Please quote this from anywhere. Drive the nail home buddy. Now you have brought the story telling to new heights. We ask you for some evidence to prove your theories and you provide nothing time and time again. You just make stuff up and post away. There isn't a single member supporting you here. I guess we all have no idea what we are talking about. You knock the site...the people on it... the moderators...and the contribute what? Nothing. Your holier than thou attitude stinks and you claim we are not accepting of your ideas but have belittled anyone whos opinion differs from yours. Your out of line and out of control with your bashing....but hey it's all of us who are being rediculous here right?

That quote is directed at me. Which i just post the proof of what i actual said. Pretty cool the whole showing proof thing. lol Guess some know how to do it, and some don't. Kind of like common since, some have it and some don't.

[Terranaut]

This is getting comical. Although I do like the enclosures he makes and his threads on the builds are pretty decent he is still so bullheaded he can't even see it is all him and not us

[formica]

why dont you look it up for yourself? even if I where to provide links, I would still get abuse and nonsense, so dont expect me to waste my time looking for things that you cant be bothered to find out for yourself. its all there on the internet for you to find, if you can be bothered.

[Terranaut]

Well other members have had the respect to share their opinions akong side proof or evidence to show why they have that opinion. You couldn't be bothered? Or can't find it?

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by formica

why dont you look it up for yourself? even if I where to provide links, I would still get abuse and nonsense, so dont expect me to waste my time looking for things that you cant be bothered to find out for yourself. its all there on the internet for you to find, if you can be bothered.

So YOU make claims, swear that they're true then I find sources to say you're wrong then you tell me that my sources aren't good enough and so you want ME to find more sources to validate YOUR info.

Ridiculous.

And I highly doubt nongovernmental organizations have stricter rules on sterilization than actual government.

You are incapable of any kind of contribution.

[marvelfreak]

Originally Posted by formica

why dont you look it up for yourself? even if I where to provide links, I would still get abuse and nonsense, so dont expect me to waste my time looking for things that you cant be bothered to find out for yourself. its all there on the internet for you to find, if you can be bothered.

I think your flat out lying about people making negative comments about this site and some of the people. That why you would even tell us the site so we could look it up. If i am wrong prove it and if your right will change my avatar and title to a jackass.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by Kid Boa

Your going to get this in ALL forums.

I have never seen any where, where this forums has a bad rep, as a matter of fact, from what I have read, this is one of the better reptile forums.

The best.. more traffic than Kingsnake.

[formica]

look up Pasteurization, then decide for yourself whether I am making it up. I aint gona waste my time trying to educate you, educate yourselves. your conjecture is not doing anyone any favours.