The yellow rat snake that may enjoy some human contact. - Page 5

SkyesRingo · 06-13-13, 07:35 AM

For the record... and if someone responds with hostility I'll completely ignore you... why buy a snake if you just keep it and feed it... for show? Seems a little harsh to me. Why buy an animal if you're just gonna let it sit there most of the time only getting some food and water?

As an owner myself of many different species, I like to enjoy company with my pets, even if they don't have the capacity for enjoyment. Personally (and I'm sure others could agree) I like to think my pets enjoy my company as well. Now, they might now actually be enjoying it, but they feel safe, they recognize our scent, they know we care for them well, and it's nice to THINK they enjoy it even though we KNOW they don't (no capacity)

These arguments about whether or not snakes have feelings is getting on my nerves, because we don't know crap about how a snake thinks or completely why they do something. It's all speculation. So whether or not my snake likes my company, I know I like his.

ON ANOTHER NOTE
I've witnessed my corny doing the same twitch movements and I believe them to be curiosity about things they touch. I normally witness Ringo twitching when he's on my bf's arm(he has thick hair) or my arm which is smoother. I also noticed the arching body thing as well when I stroke down his back, and it's either a "oo that feels good" or "ew get away"
Since we don't speak snake, who knows. It's still cute tho

Anyways, That's my opinion on all these facts and whatnot.
If you're gonna try and call me stupid, I expect you refrain from it unless you're a herpetologist yourself, because you know just about as much as I do. (It's also against forum rules if I remember correctly C: )

P.S. I think by "flirting" they mean attempting to attract the opposite gender, which a female had been there recently perhaps, so they assumed the pulsing and scent were another snake, common mistake for every species I'm sure.

(If you decide to call out any wrong comments, please state where I was wrong and politely explain your reasoning for believing I'm wrong... I'm tired of all the hate on here.)

SkyesRingo · 06-13-13, 07:42 AM

Extra note....

Why can't everyone just get along and be polite? D:
Just because you believe someone is wrong doesn't mean you have to be a bully

And bullying is EXACTLY what some of you are doing! Disputing a comment and forcing your information down their throat.. at least That's how I'm reading all this. It's so silly...

smy_749 · 06-13-13, 07:54 AM

lol.... I quit

Lankyrob · 06-13-13, 08:59 AM

I buy snakes beacuse they are amazing creatures and i can sit and watch them all day in their enclosures, most are awake late at night when i am too whilst the rest of my family are sleeping.

Do i handle them? Occasionally, maybe once every few months but i dont believe theree is any benefit for the snake in doing so, its purely for my benefit.

smy_749 · 06-13-13, 09:45 AM

My personal opinion (and I will probably be scorned for it), is that people who buy snakes and want to handle them, are expecting a mutual relationship and love, etc. don't like when the animal 'bites the hand that feeds him' are looking for the characteristics of dogs and cats in their snakes because thats what they enjoy. Your snake is not a dog or a cat unfortunately. Many of us, like Rob, appreciate the true beauty, enjoy observing them from a distance without having to be touchy feely all the time. It is by no means neglect to not ever hold him, and holding all the time just stresses them out anyways usually. I recently contacted someone on craigslist about a biak green tree and she said " if you don't hold him daily and want to live him in a box then I won't sell to you. This snake needs to be loved, I worked 6 months to train him to be held" .... ridiculous

MDT · 06-13-13, 10:13 AM

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lol.... I quit

LOL... me too

Never let facts get in the way of truth...

Tapping out now.

KORBIN5895 · 06-13-13, 10:14 AM

Stupidity still reigns.

rangers · 06-13-13, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

My personal opinion (and I will probably be scorned for it), is that people who buy snakes and want to handle them, are expecting a mutual relationship and love, etc. don't like when the animal 'bites the hand that feeds him' are looking for the characteristics of dogs and cats in their snakes because thats what they enjoy. Your snake is not a dog or a cat unfortunately. Many of us, like Rob, appreciate the true beauty, enjoy observing them from a distance without having to be touchy feely all the time. It is by no means neglect to not ever hold him, and holding all the time just stresses them out anyways usually. I recently contacted someone on craigslist about a biak green tree and she said " if you don't hold him daily and want to live him in a box then I won't sell to you. This snake needs to be loved, I worked 6 months to train him to be held" .... ridiculous

You make a good point here, the snake can't tell the difference between your hand and a mouse, fish, etc, except by smell. Now, I do enjoy holding my water snake sometimes, thought when it bites me, it doesn't bother me, the same with musking and pooping. Its part of owning a snake, or any other animal for that matter. I never expected love from my snake, but I'm sure someone has. If you go out and catch a snake, why should you be mad becuase it bit you, musked on you? Wouldn't you do the same?

smy_749 · 06-13-13, 10:55 AM

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You make a good point here, the snake can't tell the difference between your hand and a mouse, fish, etc, except by smell. Now, I do enjoy holding my water snake sometimes, thought when it bites me, it doesn't bother me, the same with musking and pooping. Its part of owning a snake, or any other animal for that matter. I never expected love from my snake, but I'm sure someone has. If you go out and catch a snake, why should you be mad becuase it bit you, musked on you? Wouldn't you do the same?

Yea, one time someone grabbed me in a headlock, so I peed all over him. He didn't try that again. He also can't tell the difference between your warm skin, and his warm heat pad. Also massaging a snake and having him fall asleep doesn't show that he enjoys it necessarily....maybe that particular movement just makes him fall asleep, who knows.

Mikoh4792 · 06-13-13, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyesRingo

For the record... and if someone responds with hostility I'll completely ignore you... why buy a snake if you just keep it and feed it... for show? Seems a little harsh to me. Why buy an animal if you're just gonna let it sit there most of the time only getting some food and water?

Are you saying it's harsh to never handle a snake? I think the snake will be perfectly fine without being handled the rest of it's life. Also, a part of keeping snakes for me is show. I like to make nice displays in the enclosures and watch them explore their habitat. I see it as sort of an art, how I can set the enclosure to look a certain way and have my animal thrive in it. I don't ever need to handle them. I know snakes aren't fish, but fish do fine when kept for "show" in brightly lit aquariums as long as they are fed and their enclosures are maintained. Snakes especially since they are solitary animals.

Don't get my wrong, I handle my snakes. I just don't agree with your argument that just keeping it and feeding it is harsh. The snake doesn't need to be handled and will be content with just being fed, given water, and having shelter provided to them.(Let's not forget heat and humidity)

Donnie · 06-13-13, 12:22 PM

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Yea, one time someone grabbed me in a headlock, so I peed all over him. He didn't try that again.

Lol, that made my day

**Aaron_S** · 06-13-13, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyesRingo

For the record... and if someone responds with hostility I'll completely ignore you... why buy a snake if you just keep it and feed it... for show? Seems a little harsh to me. Why buy an animal if you're just gonna let it sit there most of the time only getting some food and water?...

So you can say hostile things to me but I can't to you? Sounds kind of hypocritical of you child.

I find it hostile of you that you presume such things about my hobby/business. That I couldn't know anything without being a trained herpetologist.

I won't say much else since you're only 16. You'll learn soon enough about the world child.

bcr229 · 06-13-13, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyesRingo

why buy a snake if you just keep it and feed it... for show? Seems a little harsh to me. Why buy an animal if you're just gonna let it sit there most of the time only getting some food and water?

Because keeping an animal isn't about doing what's best for you, it's about doing what's best for the animal's health and well-being.

Take ball pythons for example - they spend most of their lives underground digesting their last meal in their natural habitat. They are not comfortable out in the open. Now, I didn't know that when I got one, so I ended up (from the pet shop, go figure) with a nice glass display tank and a less than ideal setup. Result was an unhappy BP. So, I started doing research and asking questions, and initially was pretty shocked to discover that people housed them in rack systems. How could this be? How could these snakes not appreciate the large, well-appointed terrarium I had purchased? Well, appreciated or not, obviously the nice setup was suitable for a king snake or even a boa, but not a ball. Fine, rack system built, and it now contains happy little hiding balls who are perfectly content if they have access to hides, clean water, a weekly meal, and appropriate temperatures and humidity. Can they all be handled? Yes. I wouldn't say they all enjoy it, but some tolerate it better than others. Are they happier in their tubs? Very obviously yes.

SkyesRingo · 06-13-13, 01:06 PM

I suppose my mind had wandered to how people have a whole bunch of snake just sitting in tubs on a rack. I'm still new to all this so my opinions from before owning a snake still rule my brian -.°
I used to believe that way of keeping snake was odd, and being able to see the snake and interact with it was always better.
I know I was wrong in my previous post, pardon me, however I was a little titched off so my anger slipped thru.
But I will stick with the parts which aren't hostile.

Lankyrob · 06-13-13, 04:38 PM

Personally i hate tubs, would never use them, i want to give me animals space and as much space as practically efficient for teh house i live in.

BUT i do understand why others use tubs and i wouldn't berate them for doing so, both ideas work, neither is cruel or "bad". Personal preference is just that